New image of K-3!?

VaSA · 09-27-2013, 08:57 AM

Originally posted by mee

I'm still stupified why they would spend resources aligning their products with the number '5' and then turn around immediately and launch a camera with a '3' in the name.

What now for the lower tiers? K-30 already there..

Well now they only need to release K-3 and K-300 and they are back on track

Andi Lo · 09-27-2013, 08:58 AM

Originally posted by monochrome

Well, most people never buy another lens, and most people won't buy a FF ILC either.

That's true. For these people FF would be irrelevant

I always think people should get the cheapest, lightest camera that can get them the shot they want.

RonHendriks1966 · 09-27-2013, 09:16 AM

Originally posted by StrasburgBarry

When you can get tack sharp 16 X 20s from an APS-C Pentax camera what really is the point of full frame? Sorry, still not sold on it.

Well sharp images from K-5 up to 24 inch is no problem, but maybe FF has more reasons to it.

mee · 09-27-2013, 09:17 AM

Originally posted by VaSA

Well now they only need to release K-3 and K-300 and they are back on track

hehe yeah

Since they already discontinued the K-30.. I am not sure that this photo of the 'K-3' is real.

I think, originally, most people were calling the new flagship the 'K-3' because the K-30 was announced back then.. but Ricoh then spent money to align the lower tiers with the top (5xx)

Otherwise it would have made more sense to have kept the K-30 and just launched a K-300 months ago.. or saved it for the K-3 unveiling... unless they are giving us K-30 mk ii or a K-33.. now THAT wouldn't be confusing. hehehe

starbase218 · 09-27-2013, 09:22 AM

Originally posted by mee

Since they already discontinued the K-30.. I am not sure that this photo of the 'K-3' is real.

I think, originally, most people were calling the new flagship the 'K-3' because the K-30 was announced back then.. but Ricoh then spent money to align the lower tiers with the top (5xx)

My thoughts exactly.

OTOH, there was the brief appearance of "K-3" on the Pentax website.

ofer4 · 09-27-2013, 09:27 AM

Originally posted by mee

hehe yeah

Since they already discontinued the K-30.. I am not sure that this photo of the 'K-3' is real.

I think, originally, most people were calling the new flagship the 'K-3' because the K-30 was announced back then.. but Ricoh then spent money to align the lower tiers with the top (5xx)

Otherwise it would have made more sense to have kept the K-30 and just launched a K-300 months ago.. or saved it for the K-3 unveiling... unless they are giving us K-30 mk ii or a K-33.. now THAT wouldn't be confusing. hehehe

I agree that K-3 would throw a wrench in the naming works. On the other hand, Pentax/Ricoh has never officially discontinued the K-30. Only this site has announced it as such.

John Poirier · 09-27-2013, 09:29 AM

Originally posted by StrasburgBarry

When you can get tack sharp 16 X 20s from an APS-C Pentax camera what really is the point of full frame? Sorry, still not sold on it.

My standard print size for galleries is 24x36. I can scrape by with 15MP, although I still tend to use medium format film for serious black and white work. My main thing is landscapes, usually done on a tripod with moderate wide angles at mid or small apertures.

I'm planning a major upgrade in the next year. Minimum requirement is 24MP. More is better. As my lens requirements are quite simple, I can afford to jump to any system, which makes a 36MP FF look mighty attractive. I used Nikon gear supplied in my job for many years, and have no problem going back to it.

My personal gear has been Pentax since 1975, so there is a certain attachment. However, I do need to get on with things, and time is running out.

So, yes, there is a point to full frame for some of us.

Wired · 09-27-2013, 09:36 AM

Originally posted by bxf

I'd be very, very curious to know what type of product requires screen display that cannot be satisfied by APS-C.

Me too. At "websize" my D600 and K5 images were indistinguishable.

bwDraco · 09-27-2013, 09:44 AM

I'm not sure how many of you noticed the new AF lever. It's certainly a new design, and does not look like anything Nikon has produced either. It is significantly larger and may indicate that Pentax has reworked the AF system in some significant way. The rumors say that the new AF system is 27 points, all cross-type, which is plausible. It's not going to be as dense as Canon or Nikon area AF, but it looks like that Pentax has implemented a new area AF system that is going to be seriously competitive. For reference, the EOS 7D has 19 points, all cross-type.

Rice High speculates that the AF system will be laid out this way - which is 27 points, all cross-type. Though many of us have bashed Rice High for posting inaccurate and negative information, it is quite likely that he is correct this time.

--DragonLord

ElJamoquio · 09-27-2013, 11:02 AM

Originally posted by Wired

Do they see the difference between an image shot full frame and APSC?

Does your back thank you because your carrying nearly half the weight...or does it scream at you because your hauling a FF?

How does your bank account feel buying a 70-200 f2.8 VRII vs a DA*50-135mm f2.8?

Do you like to use 1/8000" shutter speed or 5 frame exposure bracketing? How about a front IR remote port?

The FF F/4 stuff is faster, lighter, and cheaper than the APS-C F/2.8 stuff.

Plus on Pentax the Tamron 70-200 AF is quite fast. Pentax hasn't had the opportunity to slow-down it's screw drive yet, as Pentax's best lenses are still screw-drive.

Wired · 09-27-2013, 11:10 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by ElJamoquio

The FF F/4 stuff is faster, lighter, and cheaper than the APS-C F/2.8 stuff.

Plus on Pentax the Tamron 70-200 AF is quite fast. Pentax hasn't had the opportunity to slow-down it's screw drive yet, as Pentax's best lenses are still screw-drive.

F4 is F4

Correct me if I'm wrong but iso 100 1/250" and f4 produces the same exposure on the Q and a D800.

limpet · 09-27-2013, 11:18 AM

Originally posted by Belnan

Correction, You don't own a Pentax Yet

Too true, I`m looking at moving over from Nikon.
I`ve been here a few months on and off doing some research

northcoastgreg · 09-27-2013, 11:23 AM

Originally posted by ElJamoquio

The FF F/4 stuff is faster, lighter, and cheaper than the APS-C F/2.8 stuff.

Where's the FF f5.6 lens that's lighter, faster, and cheaper than my APS-C f4 stuff (and also has equivalent microcontrast, rendering, and color rendition)?

IchabodCrane · 09-27-2013, 11:28 AM

Originally posted by StrasburgBarry

When you can get tack sharp 16 X 20s from an APS-C Pentax camera what really is the point of full frame? Sorry, still not sold on it.

The #1 reason I can think of to buy a FF DSLR is low light IQ. Is the most important DXOMark measurement the low light ISO (which I think is the max ISO where a DR of 9 can be achieved)? D800E is close to ISO 3000 where a K-5 IIs is ISO 1200+. Better than a stop and a third difference.

OTOH, if all you want to do is shoot at ISO 80 or 100, you can get DR of around 14. Anyone limit their camera to ISO 100?

redrockcoulee · 09-27-2013, 11:39 AM

Originally posted by Parry

I'm bored of the K-3 already. When's the K-3 II coming out?

I am impressed. You folks go to staggering technical lengths. I'm far too lazy. I'll just wait a few days.

I am with you as well as the K-3II will be on my wish list when it goes on discontinued discount

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09-27-2013, 08:57 AM	#211
VaSA Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 173	Originally posted by mee I'm still stupified why they would spend resources aligning their products with the number '5' and then turn around immediately and launch a camera with a '3' in the name. What now for the lower tiers? K-30 already there.. Well now they only need to release K-3 and K-300 and they are back on track

09-27-2013, 08:58 AM	#212
Andi Lo Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Halifax, Nova Scotia Posts: 2,924	Originally posted by monochrome Well, most people never buy another lens, and most people won't buy a FF ILC either. That's true. For these people FF would be irrelevant I always think people should get the cheapest, lightest camera that can get them the shot they want.

09-27-2013, 09:16 AM	#213
RonHendriks1966 Banned Join Date: Jan 2009 Photos: Gallery Posts: 9,675	Originally posted by StrasburgBarry When you can get tack sharp 16 X 20s from an APS-C Pentax camera what really is the point of full frame? Sorry, still not sold on it. Well sharp images from K-5 up to 24 inch is no problem, but maybe FF has more reasons to it.

09-27-2013, 09:17 AM	#214
mee Veteran Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 7,403	Originally posted by VaSA Well now they only need to release K-3 and K-300 and they are back on track hehe yeah Since they already discontinued the K-30.. I am not sure that this photo of the 'K-3' is real. I think, originally, most people were calling the new flagship the 'K-3' because the K-30 was announced back then.. but Ricoh then spent money to align the lower tiers with the top (5xx) Otherwise it would have made more sense to have kept the K-30 and just launched a K-300 months ago.. or saved it for the K-3 unveiling... unless they are giving us K-30 mk ii or a K-33.. now THAT wouldn't be confusing. hehehe

09-27-2013, 09:22 AM	#215
starbase218 Inactive Account Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Planet Earth, Sol system, Milky Way galaxy, Universe Posts: 1,119	Originally posted by mee Since they already discontinued the K-30.. I am not sure that this photo of the 'K-3' is real. I think, originally, most people were calling the new flagship the 'K-3' because the K-30 was announced back then.. but Ricoh then spent money to align the lower tiers with the top (5xx) My thoughts exactly. OTOH, there was the brief appearance of "K-3" on the Pentax website.

09-27-2013, 09:27 AM	#216
ofer4 Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Utah Posts: 428	Originally posted by mee hehe yeah Since they already discontinued the K-30.. I am not sure that this photo of the 'K-3' is real. I think, originally, most people were calling the new flagship the 'K-3' because the K-30 was announced back then.. but Ricoh then spent money to align the lower tiers with the top (5xx) Otherwise it would have made more sense to have kept the K-30 and just launched a K-300 months ago.. or saved it for the K-3 unveiling... unless they are giving us K-30 mk ii or a K-33.. now THAT wouldn't be confusing. hehehe I agree that K-3 would throw a wrench in the naming works. On the other hand, Pentax/Ricoh has never officially discontinued the K-30. Only this site has announced it as such.

09-27-2013, 09:29 AM	#217
John Poirier Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Gabriola Island Posts: 619	Originally posted by StrasburgBarry When you can get tack sharp 16 X 20s from an APS-C Pentax camera what really is the point of full frame? Sorry, still not sold on it. My standard print size for galleries is 24x36. I can scrape by with 15MP, although I still tend to use medium format film for serious black and white work. My main thing is landscapes, usually done on a tripod with moderate wide angles at mid or small apertures. I'm planning a major upgrade in the next year. Minimum requirement is 24MP. More is better. As my lens requirements are quite simple, I can afford to jump to any system, which makes a 36MP FF look mighty attractive. I used Nikon gear supplied in my job for many years, and have no problem going back to it. My personal gear has been Pentax since 1975, so there is a certain attachment. However, I do need to get on with things, and time is running out. So, yes, there is a point to full frame for some of us.

09-27-2013, 09:36 AM	#218
Wired Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Edmonton, AB Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 2,519	Originally posted by bxf I'd be very, very curious to know what type of product requires screen display that cannot be satisfied by APS-C. Me too. At "websize" my D600 and K5 images were indistinguishable.

09-27-2013, 09:44 AM	#219
bwDraco Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: New York Photos: Albums Posts: 1,071	I'm not sure how many of you noticed the new AF lever. It's certainly a new design, and does not look like anything Nikon has produced either. It is significantly larger and may indicate that Pentax has reworked the AF system in some significant way. The rumors say that the new AF system is 27 points, all cross-type, which is plausible. It's not going to be as dense as Canon or Nikon area AF, but it looks like that Pentax has implemented a new area AF system that is going to be seriously competitive. For reference, the EOS 7D has 19 points, all cross-type. Rice High speculates that the AF system will be laid out this way - which is 27 points, all cross-type. Though many of us have bashed Rice High for posting inaccurate and negative information, it is quite likely that he is correct this time. --DragonLord

09-27-2013, 11:02 AM	#220
ElJamoquio Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 4,873	Originally posted by Wired Do they see the difference between an image shot full frame and APSC? Does your back thank you because your carrying nearly half the weight...or does it scream at you because your hauling a FF? How does your bank account feel buying a 70-200 f2.8 VRII vs a DA*50-135mm f2.8? Do you like to use 1/8000" shutter speed or 5 frame exposure bracketing? How about a front IR remote port? The FF F/4 stuff is faster, lighter, and cheaper than the APS-C F/2.8 stuff. Plus on Pentax the Tamron 70-200 AF is quite fast. Pentax hasn't had the opportunity to slow-down it's screw drive yet, as Pentax's best lenses are still screw-drive.

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09-27-2013, 11:10 AM - 1 Like	#221
Wired Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Edmonton, AB Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 2,519	Originally posted by ElJamoquio The FF F/4 stuff is faster, lighter, and cheaper than the APS-C F/2.8 stuff. Plus on Pentax the Tamron 70-200 AF is quite fast. Pentax hasn't had the opportunity to slow-down it's screw drive yet, as Pentax's best lenses are still screw-drive. F4 is F4 Correct me if I'm wrong but iso 100 1/250" and f4 produces the same exposure on the Q and a D800.

09-27-2013, 11:18 AM	#222
limpet Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: Nottinghamshire Photos: Albums Posts: 47	Originally posted by Belnan Correction, You don't own a Pentax Yet Too true, I`m looking at moving over from Nikon. I`ve been here a few months on and off doing some research

09-27-2013, 11:23 AM	#223
northcoastgreg Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Northern Michigan Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 6,168	Originally posted by ElJamoquio The FF F/4 stuff is faster, lighter, and cheaper than the APS-C F/2.8 stuff. Where's the FF f5.6 lens that's lighter, faster, and cheaper than my APS-C f4 stuff (and also has equivalent microcontrast, rendering, and color rendition)?

09-27-2013, 11:28 AM	#224
IchabodCrane Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 1,728	Originally posted by StrasburgBarry When you can get tack sharp 16 X 20s from an APS-C Pentax camera what really is the point of full frame? Sorry, still not sold on it. The #1 reason I can think of to buy a FF DSLR is low light IQ. Is the most important DXOMark measurement the low light ISO (which I think is the max ISO where a DR of 9 can be achieved)? D800E is close to ISO 3000 where a K-5 IIs is ISO 1200+. Better than a stop and a third difference. OTOH, if all you want to do is shoot at ISO 80 or 100, you can get DR of around 14. Anyone limit their camera to ISO 100?

09-27-2013, 11:39 AM	#225
redrockcoulee Pentaxian Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Medicine Hat Posts: 2,306	Originally posted by Parry I'm bored of the K-3 already. When's the K-3 II coming out? I am impressed. You folks go to staggering technical lengths. I'm far too lazy. I'll just wait a few days. I am with you as well as the K-3II will be on my wish list when it goes on discontinued discount