another new image of K-3!?

Ayoh · 10-01-2013, 04:29 AM

Originally posted by Asahiflex

Another interpretation of that bump as I found out on my home forum (pentaxian.nl):

In previous Pentax models the motor for the mirror and the shutter was ALWAYS combined. It's possible that the mirror and the shutter now have their own motor, meaning that the mirror can stay in the up position while taking pictures in live view.

This is not correct.

SInce the k-7 there are separate shutter, mirror and aperture control motors. Thats why you can take shots in live-view without cycling the mirror as well as do DOF preview.

the older k-x etc. series have a single motor, thats why the mirror has to cycle during live view. Much like the nikon d7000/d7100/d600, which cannot do DOF preview without cycling the mirror (very clunky approach). In this regards Pentax has been ahead of Nikon for a long time.

bobell69 · 10-01-2013, 04:33 AM

Originally posted by fsge

New 35 ltd HD ? It seems legit...

The text above the mic input and behind the dial is different

Ayoh · 10-01-2013, 04:39 AM

It finally looks like there is a discrete and elegant leather strap. Not the typical obnoxiously branded kitsch.

Clavius · 10-01-2013, 04:40 AM

Originally posted by Ayoh

The protrusion on the left probably houses the mirror actuation motor. Just like in the k-5 series the protrusion on the right houses the aperture actuator motor. It seems it may have been moved further away from the mirror box compared to the k-5 series in order to possibly:

- accomodate a larger prism/viewfinder assembly

- a larger mirror drive motor for higher frame rates

- or a larger mirror box.

If rumors are true that the k-3 body is to be shared with the future FF body than this makes sense. A larger design volume for the mirror and viewfinder assembly will allow for:

- a bigger viewfinder for the APS-C model

- enough room for a FF mirror and viewfinder assembly in the FF model.

This might also explain the delay in releasing the k-3 which was initially rumoured to be ready last photokina. If Pentax management made a decision to market a FF model as revealed around last Photokina, then they may have changed plans to share a common platform with the k-3 and FF models in order to save development costs. The delay in releasing the K-3 may be for effort required to redesign for a common platform.

A larger or more bulky body that is shared to support both FF and APS-C insides doesn't fit in the Pentax logic. They're so proud of their APS-C lenses that are specifically designed for the APS-C format. They have no shared parts and no unneccesary bulk. And they all of a sudden flush that filosophy down the toilet by doing the exact opposite with a new flagship body. That makes little sense.

fsge · 10-01-2013, 04:40 AM

Originally posted by Ayoh

The protrusion on the left probably houses the mirror actuation motor. Just like in the k-5 series the protrusion on the right houses the aperture actuator motor. It seems it may have been moved further away from the mirror box compared to the k-5 series in order to possibly:

- accomodate a larger prism/viewfinder assembly

- a larger mirror drive motor for higher frame rates

- or a larger mirror box.

If rumors are true that the k-3 body is to be shared with the future FF body than this makes sense. A larger design volume for the mirror and viewfinder assembly will allow for:

- a bigger viewfinder for the APS-C model

- enough room for a FF mirror and viewfinder assembly in the FF model.

This might also explain the delay in releasing the k-3 which was initially rumoured to be ready last photokina. If Pentax management made a decision to market a FF model as revealed around last Photokina, then they may have changed plans to share a common platform with the k-3 and FF models in order to save development costs. The delay in releasing the K-3 may be for effort required to redesign for a common platform.

I thought FF was expected to be ML ?!

Macario · 10-01-2013, 04:52 AM

Originally posted by Asahiflex

The prism housing surely has grown a lot bigger.

ofcourse it is bigger, otherwise it couldn't house the bigger prism and mirror

repaap · 10-01-2013, 05:00 AM

Originally posted by Macario

ofcourse it is bigger, otherwise it couldn't house the bigger prism and mirror

lol!

Duh! so that is the why. I just wonder why they would need to do that with APS-C...

Vylen · 10-01-2013, 05:01 AM

Originally posted by repaap

lol!

Duh! so that is the why. I just wonder why they would need to do that with APS-C...

Bigger viewfinder, fit more crap in the OVF...?

**Belnan** · 10-01-2013, 05:03 AM - **1 Like**

maybe the bulg on the left side is a high speed/high torque ultra quiet autofocus motor.

konraDarnok · 10-01-2013, 05:03 AM

Originally posted by Vylen

Bigger viewfinder, fit more crap in the OVF...?

something. The added bulk doesn't seem to make much sense to go from 0.92x to the rumored 0.95x

There there's this old rumor:
https://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/pentax-dslr-discussion/159688-what-happen...iewfinder.html

repaap · 10-01-2013, 05:04 AM

Originally posted by Vylen

Bigger viewfinder, fit more crap in the OVF...?

Well that is not what I'm conserned of, you can easilly dig it out, when there is more room. But What I'm conserned about thou is that crap, what goes on the sensors and all the way to dual SD cards.

Mehlsack · 10-01-2013, 05:09 AM

of course i have seen the dedicateds AF -Button

But with a lever you can easily fit 3-6 different modes and all of them are very fast chosen, better then any button + dail etc. crap.

deus ursus · 10-01-2013, 05:10 AM - **5 Likes**

Originally posted by Belnan

maybe the bulg on the left side is a high speed/high torque ultra quiet autofocus motor.

I bet it's a pneumatic actuator for the mirror, so each time you take a photo, the camera goes *click psshh* *click psshh*.

Vylen · 10-01-2013, 05:15 AM

Originally posted by Mehlsack

of course i have seen the dedicateds AF -Button

But with a lever you can easily fit 3-6 different modes and all of them are very fast chosen, better then any button + dail etc. crap.

Sure - if you aren't using your thumb to blindly flick the switch.

Either way, don't knock it till you try it.

Vylen · 10-01-2013, 05:15 AM

Originally posted by konraDarnok

something. The added bulk doesn't seem to make much sense to go from 0.92x to the rumored 0.95x

There there's this old rumor:
https://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/pentax-dslr-discussion/159688-what-happen...iewfinder.html

Could also need more room for new autofocus system.

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10-01-2013, 04:29 AM	#46
Ayoh Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Melbourne Posts: 341	Originally posted by Asahiflex Another interpretation of that bump as I found out on my home forum (pentaxian.nl): In previous Pentax models the motor for the mirror and the shutter was ALWAYS combined. It's possible that the mirror and the shutter now have their own motor, meaning that the mirror can stay in the up position while taking pictures in live view. This is not correct. SInce the k-7 there are separate shutter, mirror and aperture control motors. Thats why you can take shots in live-view without cycling the mirror as well as do DOF preview. the older k-x etc. series have a single motor, thats why the mirror has to cycle during live view. Much like the nikon d7000/d7100/d600, which cannot do DOF preview without cycling the mirror (very clunky approach). In this regards Pentax has been ahead of Nikon for a long time.

10-01-2013, 04:33 AM	#47
bobell69 Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Courtenay BC Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 498	Originally posted by fsge New 35 ltd HD ? It seems legit... The text above the mic input and behind the dial is different

10-01-2013, 04:39 AM	#48
Ayoh Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Melbourne Posts: 341	It finally looks like there is a discrete and elegant leather strap. Not the typical obnoxiously branded kitsch.

10-01-2013, 04:40 AM	#49
Clavius Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: De Klundert Photos: Gallery Posts: 4,150	Originally posted by Ayoh The protrusion on the left probably houses the mirror actuation motor. Just like in the k-5 series the protrusion on the right houses the aperture actuator motor. It seems it may have been moved further away from the mirror box compared to the k-5 series in order to possibly: - accomodate a larger prism/viewfinder assembly - a larger mirror drive motor for higher frame rates - or a larger mirror box. If rumors are true that the k-3 body is to be shared with the future FF body than this makes sense. A larger design volume for the mirror and viewfinder assembly will allow for: - a bigger viewfinder for the APS-C model - enough room for a FF mirror and viewfinder assembly in the FF model. This might also explain the delay in releasing the k-3 which was initially rumoured to be ready last photokina. If Pentax management made a decision to market a FF model as revealed around last Photokina, then they may have changed plans to share a common platform with the k-3 and FF models in order to save development costs. The delay in releasing the K-3 may be for effort required to redesign for a common platform. A larger or more bulky body that is shared to support both FF and APS-C insides doesn't fit in the Pentax logic. They're so proud of their APS-C lenses that are specifically designed for the APS-C format. They have no shared parts and no unneccesary bulk. And they all of a sudden flush that filosophy down the toilet by doing the exact opposite with a new flagship body. That makes little sense.

10-01-2013, 04:40 AM	#50
fsge Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Genf Posts: 1,138	Originally posted by Ayoh The protrusion on the left probably houses the mirror actuation motor. Just like in the k-5 series the protrusion on the right houses the aperture actuator motor. It seems it may have been moved further away from the mirror box compared to the k-5 series in order to possibly: - accomodate a larger prism/viewfinder assembly - a larger mirror drive motor for higher frame rates - or a larger mirror box. If rumors are true that the k-3 body is to be shared with the future FF body than this makes sense. A larger design volume for the mirror and viewfinder assembly will allow for: - a bigger viewfinder for the APS-C model - enough room for a FF mirror and viewfinder assembly in the FF model. This might also explain the delay in releasing the k-3 which was initially rumoured to be ready last photokina. If Pentax management made a decision to market a FF model as revealed around last Photokina, then they may have changed plans to share a common platform with the k-3 and FF models in order to save development costs. The delay in releasing the K-3 may be for effort required to redesign for a common platform. I thought FF was expected to be ML ?!

10-01-2013, 04:52 AM	#51
Macario Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Hoek van Holland Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 1,393	Originally posted by Asahiflex The prism housing surely has grown a lot bigger. ofcourse it is bigger, otherwise it couldn't house the bigger prism and mirror

10-01-2013, 05:00 AM	#52
repaap Pentaxian Join Date: Oct 2010 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 6,242	Originally posted by Macario ofcourse it is bigger, otherwise it couldn't house the bigger prism and mirror lol! Duh! so that is the why. I just wonder why they would need to do that with APS-C...

10-01-2013, 05:01 AM	#53
Vylen Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Sydney, Australia Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,262	Originally posted by repaap lol! Duh! so that is the why. I just wonder why they would need to do that with APS-C... Bigger viewfinder, fit more crap in the OVF...?

10-01-2013, 05:03 AM - 1 Like	#54
Belnan Site Supporter Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Nova Scotia Photos: Albums Posts: 1,090	maybe the bulg on the left side is a high speed/high torque ultra quiet autofocus motor.

10-01-2013, 05:03 AM	#55
konraDarnok Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Photos: Albums Posts: 969	Originally posted by Vylen Bigger viewfinder, fit more crap in the OVF...? something. The added bulk doesn't seem to make much sense to go from 0.92x to the rumored 0.95x There there's this old rumor: https://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/pentax-dslr-discussion/159688-what-happen...iewfinder.html

10-01-2013, 05:04 AM	#56
repaap Pentaxian Join Date: Oct 2010 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 6,242	Originally posted by Vylen Bigger viewfinder, fit more crap in the OVF...? Well that is not what I'm conserned of, you can easilly dig it out, when there is more room. But What I'm conserned about thou is that crap, what goes on the sensors and all the way to dual SD cards.

10-01-2013, 05:09 AM	#57
Mehlsack Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Innsbruck Posts: 283	of course i have seen the dedicateds AF -Button But with a lever you can easily fit 3-6 different modes and all of them are very fast chosen, better then any button + dail etc. crap.

10-01-2013, 05:10 AM - 5 Likes	#58
deus ursus Pentaxian Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Stårheim, Norway Posts: 658	Originally posted by Belnan maybe the bulg on the left side is a high speed/high torque ultra quiet autofocus motor. I bet it's a pneumatic actuator for the mirror, so each time you take a photo, the camera goes click psshh click psshh.

10-01-2013, 05:15 AM	#59
Vylen Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Sydney, Australia Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,262	Originally posted by Mehlsack of course i have seen the dedicateds AF -Button But with a lever you can easily fit 3-6 different modes and all of them are very fast chosen, better then any button + dail etc. crap. Sure - if you aren't using your thumb to blindly flick the switch. Either way, don't knock it till you try it.

10-01-2013, 05:15 AM	#60
Vylen Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Sydney, Australia Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,262	Originally posted by konraDarnok something. The added bulk doesn't seem to make much sense to go from 0.92x to the rumored 0.95x There there's this old rumor: https://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/pentax-dslr-discussion/159688-what-happen...iewfinder.html Could also need more room for new autofocus system.