Firmware Update V1.06 for K-5II/K-5IIs

virtualjsk · 10-15-2013, 06:30 AM

Originally posted by Waratah

Have done two shoots with 1.06 - camera is reliable. But (and no real science to this) i wasn't over the moon about focus in first shoot post upgrading firmware. Not disasterous but probably worst in terms of focus. Have only considered fine adjustment of one out four lens was necessary in past. I spent some solid time adjust all four lens and all now need adjustment between +3 and +5. Most recent shot was crisp again.

I say un scientific because i hadn't spent serious effort (or felt the need to) with v 1.0, 1.04, and 1.05.

I took my K-5 II with 1.6 out yesterday with my "new" FA 50mm 1.4, and I'm not crazy about the results. It had difficulty focusing on a church steeple that was about 500 yards away in broad daylight. Not sure if this is a problem with the firmware, the lens, or the operator!

I also seem to get more purple fringing with this setup than I was getting with my old K-5 and kit lens. Shooting raw and reviewing in LR3. Again, new camera, new lens, and new firmware, so I can't say for sure what causes the problems.

Thinking about going back to 1.5.

Andi Lo · 10-15-2013, 07:16 AM

Originally posted by virtualjsk

I took my K-5 II with 1.6 out yesterday with my "new" FA 50mm 1.4, and I'm not crazy about the results. It had difficulty focusing on a church steeple that was about 500 yards away in broad daylight. Not sure if this is a problem with the firmware, the lens, or the operator!

I also seem to get more purple fringing with this setup than I was getting with my old K-5 and kit lens. Shooting raw and reviewing in LR3. Again, new camera, new lens, and new firmware, so I can't say for sure what causes the problems.

Thinking about going back to 1.5.

You seem to have too many new variables there to make as conclusion...

FA 50 does have a fair amount of fringing, just try the lens with your old K-5. It should behave similarly. The only sensor thast exhibits more pf than usual I think is the K10.

Not sure about the AF though.

thibs · 10-15-2013, 08:05 AM

Originally posted by Andi Lo

You seem to have too many new variables there to make as conclusion...

FA 50 does have a fair amount of fringing, just try the lens with your old K-5. It should behave similarly. The only sensor thast exhibits more pf than usual I think is the K10.

Not sure about the AF though.

Yep and the FA50/1.4 isn't exactly a top sharpest lens wide open (which is used for AF) so that's normal nad it has a looooong focus throw.

And it is nowhere near optimized for digital so fringing is to be expected.

**Michaelina2** · 10-16-2013, 05:50 AM

Originally posted by Class A

Would be good to hear back from V1.06 upgraders after they had a chance to experience the firmware for a bit longer. Perhaps there are some unannounced but nevertheless useful improvements as well?

I spend a lot of time in the field photographing wildlife and use the O-GPS1 to keep track of my photo setting locations. I did not encounter any issues with V1.05.

When V1.06 was announced, I installed it. Since then, I've noticed that the calibration procedure between my O-GPS1 and K5-IIs seems to occur much faster. It only takes one manipulation of the kit along one axis for positioning confirmation and lock. Before, it took several manipulations along the three axis get the same.

All else seems to be going well, too... no problems.

Cheers... M

Last edited by Michaelina2; 10-16-2013 at 07:00 PM.

**DDoram** · 10-16-2013, 04:18 PM

FW 1.06 solved the battery issue I had for 3 weeks aftering downloading FW 1.05 for my K5IIs. Perfect timing as I have a wedding in 2 weeks.

Dale

Lage · 10-17-2013, 02:26 PM

Originally posted by bjdavey

I had no problems with 1.05, and also no issues with today's upgrade to 1.06 - everything is working fine. Just did a quick test, and the tilt flash overexposure issue seems to be fixed. Will run some more extensive tests tomorrow, but this seems hopeful.

Any new info on the tilt flash issue?

**dadipentak** · 10-17-2013, 02:35 PM

Will it fix my instability?

thibs · 10-17-2013, 03:03 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by dadipentak

Will it fix my instability?

Depends, do you overexpose when you tilt?

thibs · 10-17-2013, 03:11 PM

Originally posted by thibs

Yep and the FA50/1.4 isn't exactly a top sharpest lens wide open (which is used for AF) so that's normal nad it has a looooong focus throw.

And it is nowhere near optimized for digital so fringing is to be expected.

Sorry that I quote myself

I'd add that the DA50/1.8 ( and M/A/FA 50/1.7) is sharper wide open than the /1.4.
Even though I lost a bit of light compared to the 1.4, the result was sharper.
I wouldn't say sharp, because, well.. wide open in a very bad lighting situation and Pentax AF (sorry Pentax) will generate quite a bit of 'not very sharp pictures' but still, difference was noticeable.

**dadipentak** · 10-17-2013, 04:54 PM

Originally posted by thibs

Depends, do you overexpose when you tilt?

Invariably.

**AlwaysAl** · 10-20-2013, 07:31 AM

Thanks to everyone for the advice! Just got my sanity back.
Just to add to the thread hopefully with some additional observations.
Pre-ordered and purchased my K-5-IIs last Fall. With it, the optional battery grip was also ordered and received. The camera has been wonderful and the overall functionality superb.
Relying on Pentax, have always done the firmware updates. Did not know about 1.06 until reading this thread but had 1.05 installed.
Yesterday, at an outing the camera came out of the bag and was (to quote) "dead as a brick". In preparation for the outing had charged both batteries and installed same and checked (formatted the card, etc) it the night before everything seemed fine. Luckily, had the old K-20 on standby. It was at this moment, the realization of how much improved the K-5 IIs was over this predecessor!
In an attempt to diagnose the problem (assuming one battery had "shorted" and drained the second overnight, stopped by the local camera store and purchased a new D-LI90 battery. When I put this in the camera, the screen lit but showed the battery in a low charge range. The thought was shorted diagnosis had merit. Checked battery voltage; both batteries from the camera checked at 8.38, the new one in the low 7 volt range. Put the new battery on the charger, completed the cycle and reinstalled -- dead! For a few brief moments, thought the camera hardware had become a "battery eater" and my mind was racing about having to send the camera away for repairs and all the peripheral paranoia you could imagine.
Settling down and now really frustrated, remembered the battery grip came with and optional tray to use 6 "A" batteries. Put the batteries in it, installed it on the camera and life! Now, assuming the charger was the trouble because the tray batteries produced 9 volts and the LI's were only low 8's.
Thanks to the internet and this forum, you've saved my sanity. Using the battery grip with the "A" cells, downloaded the 1.06 firmware and we're back to life. You're a fantastic group!

Gray · 10-20-2013, 09:32 PM

Originally posted by AlwaysAl

Thanks to everyone for the advice! Just got my sanity back... You're a fantastic group!

@AlwaysAI - such a pleasure to read posts like yours where the advice and info you read on PF helped solve a significant problem. There's a great spirit here at PF, which is chock full of good people who are only too cheerfully willing to help with useful advice.

LFLee · 10-20-2013, 10:11 PM

Originally posted by thibs

Sorry that I quote myself

I'd add that the DA50/1.8 ( and M/A/FA 50/1.7) is sharper wide open than the /1.4.
Even though I lost a bit of light compared to the 1.4, the result was sharper.
I wouldn't say sharp, because, well.. wide open in a very bad lighting situation and Pentax AF (sorry Pentax) will generate quite a bit of 'not very sharp pictures' but still, difference was noticeable.

I don't think the FA50 is sharp wide open too, but on the K5IIs, it was sharp... probably your copy need focus adjustment?

Andi Lo · 10-22-2013, 07:30 AM

Originally posted by LFLee

I don't think the FA50 is sharp wide open too, but on the K5IIs, it was sharp... probably your copy need focus adjustment?

Are you talking about the AF? or MP? I can't see how with a lower MP body it can be sharper than with a higher MP body.

Pentax's 1.7 / 1.8 designs are generally sharper than the 1.4s, but I slightly prefer the 1.4 renderings, even when used at f/2.

The 8 elements Super Tak is the exception to this rule though.

LFLee · 10-22-2013, 07:45 AM

Originally posted by Andi Lo

Are you talking about the AF? or MP? I can't see how with a lower MP body it can be sharper than with a higher MP body.

Pentax's 1.7 / 1.8 designs are generally sharper than the 1.4s, but I slightly prefer the 1.4 renderings, even when used at f/2.

The 8 elements Super Tak is the exception to this rule though.

My FA50 is 'soft' with K5, but it is sharp with K5IIs - is what I am trying to say.

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10-15-2013, 06:30 AM	#31
virtualjsk Site Supporter Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: New England Photos: Gallery Posts: 46	Originally posted by Waratah Have done two shoots with 1.06 - camera is reliable. But (and no real science to this) i wasn't over the moon about focus in first shoot post upgrading firmware. Not disasterous but probably worst in terms of focus. Have only considered fine adjustment of one out four lens was necessary in past. I spent some solid time adjust all four lens and all now need adjustment between +3 and +5. Most recent shot was crisp again. I say un scientific because i hadn't spent serious effort (or felt the need to) with v 1.0, 1.04, and 1.05. I took my K-5 II with 1.6 out yesterday with my "new" FA 50mm 1.4, and I'm not crazy about the results. It had difficulty focusing on a church steeple that was about 500 yards away in broad daylight. Not sure if this is a problem with the firmware, the lens, or the operator! I also seem to get more purple fringing with this setup than I was getting with my old K-5 and kit lens. Shooting raw and reviewing in LR3. Again, new camera, new lens, and new firmware, so I can't say for sure what causes the problems. Thinking about going back to 1.5.

10-15-2013, 07:16 AM	#32
Andi Lo Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Halifax, Nova Scotia Posts: 2,924	Originally posted by virtualjsk I took my K-5 II with 1.6 out yesterday with my "new" FA 50mm 1.4, and I'm not crazy about the results. It had difficulty focusing on a church steeple that was about 500 yards away in broad daylight. Not sure if this is a problem with the firmware, the lens, or the operator! I also seem to get more purple fringing with this setup than I was getting with my old K-5 and kit lens. Shooting raw and reviewing in LR3. Again, new camera, new lens, and new firmware, so I can't say for sure what causes the problems. Thinking about going back to 1.5. You seem to have too many new variables there to make as conclusion... FA 50 does have a fair amount of fringing, just try the lens with your old K-5. It should behave similarly. The only sensor thast exhibits more pf than usual I think is the K10. Not sure about the AF though.

10-15-2013, 08:05 AM	#33
thibs Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Belgium Photos: Albums Posts: 7,001	Originally posted by Andi Lo You seem to have too many new variables there to make as conclusion... FA 50 does have a fair amount of fringing, just try the lens with your old K-5. It should behave similarly. The only sensor thast exhibits more pf than usual I think is the K10. Not sure about the AF though. Yep and the FA50/1.4 isn't exactly a top sharpest lens wide open (which is used for AF) so that's normal nad it has a looooong focus throw. And it is nowhere near optimized for digital so fringing is to be expected.

10-16-2013, 05:50 AM	#34
Michaelina2 Site Supporter Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: SE Michigan USA Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,302	Originally posted by Class A Would be good to hear back from V1.06 upgraders after they had a chance to experience the firmware for a bit longer. Perhaps there are some unannounced but nevertheless useful improvements as well? I spend a lot of time in the field photographing wildlife and use the O-GPS1 to keep track of my photo setting locations. I did not encounter any issues with V1.05. When V1.06 was announced, I installed it. Since then, I've noticed that the calibration procedure between my O-GPS1 and K5-IIs seems to occur much faster. It only takes one manipulation of the kit along one axis for positioning confirmation and lock. Before, it took several manipulations along the three axis get the same. All else seems to be going well, too... no problems. Cheers... M Last edited by Michaelina2; 10-16-2013 at 07:00 PM.

10-16-2013, 04:18 PM	#35
DDoram Site Supporter Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Edmonton, Alberta Canada Posts: 632	FW 1.06 solved the battery issue I had for 3 weeks aftering downloading FW 1.05 for my K5IIs. Perfect timing as I have a wedding in 2 weeks. Dale

10-17-2013, 02:26 PM	#36
Lage Forum Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Örnsköldsvik, Sweden Posts: 63	Originally posted by bjdavey I had no problems with 1.05, and also no issues with today's upgrade to 1.06 - everything is working fine. Just did a quick test, and the tilt flash overexposure issue seems to be fixed. Will run some more extensive tests tomorrow, but this seems hopeful. Any new info on the tilt flash issue?

10-17-2013, 02:35 PM	#37
dadipentak Site Supporter Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Baltimore, Maryland Photos: Gallery Posts: 11,590	Will it fix my instability?

10-17-2013, 03:03 PM - 1 Like	#38
thibs Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Belgium Photos: Albums Posts: 7,001	Originally posted by dadipentak Will it fix my instability? Depends, do you overexpose when you tilt?

10-17-2013, 03:11 PM	#39
thibs Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Belgium Photos: Albums Posts: 7,001	Originally posted by thibs Yep and the FA50/1.4 isn't exactly a top sharpest lens wide open (which is used for AF) so that's normal nad it has a looooong focus throw. And it is nowhere near optimized for digital so fringing is to be expected. Sorry that I quote myself I'd add that the DA50/1.8 ( and M/A/FA 50/1.7) is sharper wide open than the /1.4. Even though I lost a bit of light compared to the 1.4, the result was sharper. I wouldn't say sharp, because, well.. wide open in a very bad lighting situation and Pentax AF (sorry Pentax) will generate quite a bit of 'not very sharp pictures' but still, difference was noticeable.

10-17-2013, 04:54 PM	#40
dadipentak Site Supporter Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Baltimore, Maryland Photos: Gallery Posts: 11,590	Originally posted by thibs Depends, do you overexpose when you tilt? Invariably.

10-20-2013, 07:31 AM	#41
AlwaysAl Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: West GTA, Ontario, Canada Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 549	Thanks to everyone for the advice! Just got my sanity back. Just to add to the thread hopefully with some additional observations. Pre-ordered and purchased my K-5-IIs last Fall. With it, the optional battery grip was also ordered and received. The camera has been wonderful and the overall functionality superb. Relying on Pentax, have always done the firmware updates. Did not know about 1.06 until reading this thread but had 1.05 installed. Yesterday, at an outing the camera came out of the bag and was (to quote) "dead as a brick". In preparation for the outing had charged both batteries and installed same and checked (formatted the card, etc) it the night before everything seemed fine. Luckily, had the old K-20 on standby. It was at this moment, the realization of how much improved the K-5 IIs was over this predecessor! In an attempt to diagnose the problem (assuming one battery had "shorted" and drained the second overnight, stopped by the local camera store and purchased a new D-LI90 battery. When I put this in the camera, the screen lit but showed the battery in a low charge range. The thought was shorted diagnosis had merit. Checked battery voltage; both batteries from the camera checked at 8.38, the new one in the low 7 volt range. Put the new battery on the charger, completed the cycle and reinstalled -- dead! For a few brief moments, thought the camera hardware had become a "battery eater" and my mind was racing about having to send the camera away for repairs and all the peripheral paranoia you could imagine. Settling down and now really frustrated, remembered the battery grip came with and optional tray to use 6 "A" batteries. Put the batteries in it, installed it on the camera and life! Now, assuming the charger was the trouble because the tray batteries produced 9 volts and the LI's were only low 8's. Thanks to the internet and this forum, you've saved my sanity. Using the battery grip with the "A" cells, downloaded the 1.06 firmware and we're back to life. You're a fantastic group!

10-20-2013, 09:32 PM	#42
Gray Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Cape Town Photos: Gallery Posts: 536	Originally posted by AlwaysAl Thanks to everyone for the advice! Just got my sanity back... You're a fantastic group! @AlwaysAI - such a pleasure to read posts like yours where the advice and info you read on PF helped solve a significant problem. There's a great spirit here at PF, which is chock full of good people who are only too cheerfully willing to help with useful advice.

10-20-2013, 10:11 PM	#43
LFLee Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Southern California Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 2,292	Originally posted by thibs Sorry that I quote myself I'd add that the DA50/1.8 ( and M/A/FA 50/1.7) is sharper wide open than the /1.4. Even though I lost a bit of light compared to the 1.4, the result was sharper. I wouldn't say sharp, because, well.. wide open in a very bad lighting situation and Pentax AF (sorry Pentax) will generate quite a bit of 'not very sharp pictures' but still, difference was noticeable. I don't think the FA50 is sharp wide open too, but on the K5IIs, it was sharp... probably your copy need focus adjustment?

10-22-2013, 07:30 AM	#44
Andi Lo Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Halifax, Nova Scotia Posts: 2,924	Originally posted by LFLee I don't think the FA50 is sharp wide open too, but on the K5IIs, it was sharp... probably your copy need focus adjustment? Are you talking about the AF? or MP? I can't see how with a lower MP body it can be sharper than with a higher MP body. Pentax's 1.7 / 1.8 designs are generally sharper than the 1.4s, but I slightly prefer the 1.4 renderings, even when used at f/2. The 8 elements Super Tak is the exception to this rule though.

10-22-2013, 07:45 AM	#45
LFLee Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Southern California Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 2,292	Originally posted by Andi Lo Are you talking about the AF? or MP? I can't see how with a lower MP body it can be sharper than with a higher MP body. Pentax's 1.7 / 1.8 designs are generally sharper than the 1.4s, but I slightly prefer the 1.4 renderings, even when used at f/2. The 8 elements Super Tak is the exception to this rule though. My FA50 is 'soft' with K5, but it is sharp with K5IIs - is what I am trying to say.