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10-06-2013, 02:54 PM   #496
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QuoteOriginally posted by Pheo Quote
Fingers crossed for wifi to phone liveview. That for me is far better than any tilt-vari-angle screen. Think this might be one of the more outlandish hopes though!
Be prepared for some significant lag as this thing shuffles data at 2 MBytes/s ...

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QuoteOriginally posted by Andi Lo Quote
I do agree that we really need a digital ME super / Olympus OM... ME Super is by far my favourite camera body.

But in digital, APSC has a size advantage only when one of these is true:
lower end bodies are used
pancake lenses are used (pentax speciality)
moderate telephoto is used (50-150mm / 70-200 range)
you use a MILC

Otherwise the size of 6D / d600 is very manageable. imo 1.5cm extra each side is a non issue if you use a good strap / holster
Compare camera dimensions side by side
Compare camera dimensions side by side
I would guess that Pentax increased the size of the K-3 because it will share its body with a FF K-1.

It is possible that the K-5 line stays alive and the K-3 and K-1 will exist in a different body. We could see a K-5 Super with 24MP sensor and none of the AF and HD video improvements of the K-3.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Winder Quote
I would guess that Pentax increased the size of the K-3 because it will share its body with a FF K-1.

It is possible that the K-5 line stays alive and the K-3 and K-1 will exist in a different body. We could see a K-5 Super with 24MP sensor and none of the AF and HD video improvements of the K-3.
That sounds great if they are planning to make K1 next year, saving money for K1 without having K3 from now is a good plan for me
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High hopes for video capabilities

There are two practical benefits to DSLR video:
- Generally better lower light performance than camcorders of similar price
- For still shooters, the ability to carry one device that does stills and video

And yet there are many reasons that DSLR video sucks:
- Shallow DOF, making real-life videography impractical for most users
- Until 70D, impractical autofocus (GH3 still hunts, A77 is abrupt)
- Generally worse image quality (moire and resolution)
- Poor ergonomics and user interface

I know I will get some flames for saying shallow DOF is a negative for video use. I've been following a lot of Phillip Bloom's stuff and I just don't buy it. I've never actually seen a normal feature-length movie that treats the viewer so dumb, by forcing him/her to: "Hey look over here at what's in focus! Now STOP and look over there at what is now in focus! And now look back over here, I've changed focus on you again, keep up with me man!"

Okay, as still photographers, we all get the shallow DOF thing, but it's just overhyped for video. Things move around in video, we really don't need f/0.95 to tell the subject apart from the background.

If you are an "aspiring filmmaker" or a real professional like Phillip Bloom, then you already know that DSLR video is for you. For me, I can just look back at the horrible out of focus home videos that I created which were wasted opportunities to use my camcorder. I'm talking about real life events, like school plays. I can't exactly stop the production and tell them "sorry, let's take that from the top, my focus was off." I know I am not alone, all my friends with their Nikons and Canons have given up on the DLSR video too. For you pros who are using your 5DMkII for professional wedding videos, more power to you. I happen to know plenty of professional videographers who shoot weddings ... using camcorders!

Don't get me wrong, I do believe that Pentax must improve its video capabilities, because it is a necessary feature just to compete in the marketplace. But for it to be practical, I have high hopes that it will have some really good focus peaking. Just ask my two K-01's in the closet. And by good focus peaking, I mean better than Sony's. Anyone here actually try a NEX? It's focus peaking algorithm works fine on stationary objects, but fades out on moving objects. And Sony's is considered among the best there is.

The reviews of the Canon 70D sensor-based phase detection AF looks to have what I would consider the first real practical AF capabilities. Smooth pulls, no distracting overshoot or hunting, which can happen with the Sony E- and A-series, as well as the GH3. This will finally bring DSLR video to the masses. Since this is very new technology, I don't expect the K-3 will have anything close, but we'll see. I will settle for some really good focus peaking.

Sorry for wasting bandwidth, I'm getting over a bad cold. Just to be clear, I am in the market for a prosumer video camera, so I'm ready to plunk down the dough for the K-3, or the 70D, or a G30, depending on how this all washes out.

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Re articulated screen, I think Ricoh could do worse than to look at what Pentax people shoot and actually do with their cams. I see a lot more Pentax people doing macro than doing video. I know you have to embrace new uses for cameras like video, but the occasional crumb for the people who already do use Pentax for macro wouldn't be such a terrible thing!
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Does the HDMI can it transmit the same information as the Liveview?
If this is the case, it would not be too expensive to tinker an articulated screen for macro, right? (and for video purpose too)
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QuoteOriginally posted by Steve7527 Quote
The second time my post has suggested I go to another product for daring to mention an articulated screen. You do realise that this is a Camera forum specific to Pentax?
Some people are very jumpy in the leadup to the K-3 announcement. I'd ignore misdirected barbs, if I were you. See my post on the subject a couple up from your last. An articulated screen adds cost as well as another weather sealing issue, and isn't always the solution to a viewfinder issue. Wireless linking to a smart phone or tablet is a much more flexible solution but, of course, requires the user to have one already. However, a cheap second-hand smart phone would probably cost less than the additional cost of provided the in-camera solution. It could even add GPS data if you want that.
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Does the HDMI can it transmit the same information as the Liveview?
If this is the case, it would not be too expensive to tinker an articulated screen for macro, right? (and for video purpose too)
Like that one:
Yes it does. Some of us have been doing this for a couple of years. I imagine the monitors are even cheaper and better now.

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I've never actually seen a normal feature-length movie that treats the viewer so dumb, by forcing him/her to: "Hey look over here at what'sin focus! Now STOP and look over there at what isnowin focus! And now look back over here, I've changed focus on you again,keep up with me man!"

Selective focus ifs used frequently in feature films. It is usually motivated by story or character movement, so it isn't always noticeable. Occasionally, it ifs used in the manner you described. This is called "racking focus," and it is universally considered a legitimate technique. It categorically useful in genre and stylized films.
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QuoteOriginally posted by fuent104 Quote
I've never actually seen a normal feature-length movie that treats the viewer so dumb, by forcing him/her to: "Hey look over here at what'sin focus! Now STOP and look over there at what isnowin focus! And now look back over here, I've changed focus on you again,keep up with me man!"

Selective focus ifs used frequently in feature films. It is usually motivated by story or character movement, so it isn't always noticeable. Occasionally, it ifs used in the manner you described. This is called "racking focus," and it is universally considered a legitimate technique. It categorically useful in genre and stylized films.
We don't know everything yet. There's someothing special still to be revealed, I think.
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QuoteOriginally posted by monochrome Quote
We don't know everything yet. There's someothing special still to be revealed, I think.
I think there are some lenses that should be coming out. I hope Pentax has some surprises left.
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From Samsungian's profile:
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If his signature is current, He's basically got a K10D... outdated now but hey, who am I to say since I've got the same one ^^;
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If his signature is current, He's basically got a K10D... outdated now but hey, who am I to say since I've got the same one ^^;
Looks like he's updated his profile. Say's he has a K20D now where before it was Two Samsung GX-1S
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QuoteOriginally posted by jpzk Quote
Seems like Pentax will not fit your bill !
1. Not full frame
2. no vari-angle screen
3. Canon has it ....
Suggestion: buy a Canon.

... forgot to ask: which Pentax camera are you presently using?

JP
It wasn't long ago that many were dead set against live view I remember the complaints and the threats of jumping ship etc. it seems whenever a change occurs people will complain. The only thing a manufacturer can do is to move forward with the masses and to let those who resist change to either adapt and accept or align or to drop off.
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I can understand the desire for vari-angle screen, but having had one with and used it only a couple of times, I would rather not. It is something else to break.
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