K-3 pictures: front, side and back (aka it definitely is a headphone jack)

Ishpuini · 10-07-2013, 07:26 AM

Originally posted by sledger

Found an article which explains it better than I can

► ISO: Native Vs Extended | Roberts Raw! Camera News, Advice, And Learning

Exactly, except that on my K-5 ISO80 never has more highlight clipping than ISO100, on the contrary...

I'm inclined to think that the native ISO is actually ISO80, but since it's not a "standard" ISO this was ignored by other manufacturers and implemented as a ISO100 instead (or not ignored but called ISO100). Typical Pentax to make it available as an extended option anyway, or call it the ISO80 it actually is.

It's an old discussion anyway. What's important is what's the actual base ISO for this new sensor. If it's really ISO100, there's no point in pulling it to lower ISOs in the extended range. You might just as well overexpose and pull exposure in PP.

Wim

**Rondec** · 10-07-2013, 07:31 AM

The native base iso of the K5 sensor is about 70 or 75. If you look at the Nikon D7000, DXO mark tested their iso 100 as being the same (iso 80-ish), so it is just that Pentax chooses to be "honest" with the base iso of the sensor, while Nikon inflates their isos all the way down the line.

Not sure though, why the K5 had more dynamic range than the D7000.

VoiceOfReason · 10-07-2013, 07:39 AM

I guess that regardless I hope to see more dynamic range on this new one. It seems to address a couple issues I have with my K5, so I may get one come January or February.

ElJamoquio · 10-07-2013, 08:17 AM

Originally posted by sledger

OK, thanks.. Obviously you must be right as you have a K-5. But I did check dpr before I posted the question and found that their published specs don't support this, they list 100 ISO as the lowest for the K5 range.

It's an 'extended range' option. As such it might be in the K-3 but we'll see. I'd rather have ISO 20 than ISO51200 myself.

cream · 10-07-2013, 08:21 AM

Originally posted by ElJamoquio

It's an 'extended range' option. As such it might be in the K-3 but we'll see. I'd rather have ISO 20 than ISO51200 myself.

i would rather have lower iso too... the higher ISO are so noisy in k-5... unuseable. lower ISO would be useable... useful!

**Rondec** · 10-07-2013, 08:54 AM

I wonder if base iso was lower if it would make the ceiling iso lower as well. That is if your base iso was 25, then photos would start to look crappy at iso 600. I certainly wouldn't want that. I do use iso 6400 at times, just as I use iso 80.

Mistral75 · 10-07-2013, 08:57 AM

Originally posted by pentaxk10duser

Mistral75 .So do you have to use special lens that has what your talking about in the lens and a built in motor in the lens for video to make your Camera work right as a video camera to get auto focusing as good as regular video devices.

Yes, the quietest and smoothest autofocus in video mode is provided by lenses, the built-in motor of which is a stepper motor.

Chaos_Realm · 10-07-2013, 01:27 PM

I think i would be keen on ISO less than 50 from the longer exposure standpoint without the need for ND filters. Just so i can drag the shutter that extra bit longer or stay out of diffraction zones on a lens. The number of times i have seen a shot but left the ND at home, thus not being able to capture it, are starting to tally up.

Barry Pearson · 10-07-2013, 01:55 PM

Originally posted by Chaos_Realm

I think i would be keen on ISO less than 50 from the longer exposure standpoint without the need for ND filters. Just so i can drag the shutter that extra bit longer or stay out of diffraction zones on a lens. The number of times i have seen a shot but left the ND at home, thus not being able to capture it, are starting to tally up.

Yes. I carry a 2-stop ND filter for exactly this reason. Mainly for studio work, because my studio is small and it is sometimes hard to avoid pushing my lenses to f/11 or smaller.

MarkJerling · 10-07-2013, 04:22 PM

Well, speculation can end now!
Pentax K-3 Announced - Pentax News - PentaxForums.com

Barry Pearson · 10-07-2013, 05:59 PM

Originally posted by MarkJerling

Well, speculation can end now!
Pentax K-3 Announced - Pentax News - PentaxForums.com

Here is Ricoh's K-3 page.

lesmore49 · 10-07-2013, 06:24 PM

Originally posted by snake

Pentax is simply the K-mount and has been for decades. There's little left. So to hate Ricoh all of a sudden, who seems to be showing initiative, in small ways, is laughable. If anything, Ricoh hasn't even been given a chance yet to fail or prosper with the brand, which is why they should really not care for the old stalwarts of the old era.

They will hate everything and not buy anything. New customers are where it's at.

Snakester,

Don't think anybody is 'hating' Ricoh. More of just wanting to see the grand old name 'Pentax' survive. I would also say that many Pentaxians are happy that Ricoh took over Pentax.

Lester

kenyee · 10-07-2013, 06:25 PM

Originally posted by pinholecam

Well, I wouldn't be too sure of that

ok...so the D7100 doesn't have better video...the K-3 just seems to be on par w/ it now (no surprise because of what we know of the processor specs posted a few weeks ago). 1080/60i max.

cream · 10-07-2013, 06:29 PM

FINALLY!!! i am so happy!!! it has everything I want!! only $1300!! I wonder how many silver versions they made... for $300 more and with a battery grip it's a steal! the preorder is for Americans, can you preorder outside of America? do they have worldwide delivery? maybe I will send them an email... ^^ ah have to wait til november...

but not long...

kenyee · 10-07-2013, 06:38 PM

Originally posted by Kunzite

The crop mode is irrelevant

Actually, the D7100's crop mode is relevant because it covers the entire image w/ the AF sensors which is important for their AF-C tracking mode so you can track stuff to the edges. It bumps frame speed up a bit too.
I do agree they crippled the buffer size though. And there's no way the new AF system will do what the D7100's does (though most people don't need to do football player type tracking)

Nikon's D300 AF module was meant to compete w/ Canon's 1D series which was a huge lead over Nikon's older AF systems for tracking...

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10-07-2013, 07:26 AM	#556
Ishpuini Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Antwerp, Belgium Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,727	Originally posted by sledger Found an article which explains it better than I can ► ISO: Native Vs Extended \| Roberts Raw! Camera News, Advice, And Learning Exactly, except that on my K-5 ISO80 never has more highlight clipping than ISO100, on the contrary... I'm inclined to think that the native ISO is actually ISO80, but since it's not a "standard" ISO this was ignored by other manufacturers and implemented as a ISO100 instead (or not ignored but called ISO100). Typical Pentax to make it available as an extended option anyway, or call it the ISO80 it actually is. It's an old discussion anyway. What's important is what's the actual base ISO for this new sensor. If it's really ISO100, there's no point in pulling it to lower ISOs in the extended range. You might just as well overexpose and pull exposure in PP. Wim

10-07-2013, 07:31 AM	#557
Rondec Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Gladys, Virginia Photos: Gallery Posts: 27,653	The native base iso of the K5 sensor is about 70 or 75. If you look at the Nikon D7000, DXO mark tested their iso 100 as being the same (iso 80-ish), so it is just that Pentax chooses to be "honest" with the base iso of the sensor, while Nikon inflates their isos all the way down the line. Not sure though, why the K5 had more dynamic range than the D7000.

10-07-2013, 07:39 AM	#558
VoiceOfReason Site Supporter Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Mishawaka IN area Photos: Albums Posts: 6,124	I guess that regardless I hope to see more dynamic range on this new one. It seems to address a couple issues I have with my K5, so I may get one come January or February.

10-07-2013, 08:17 AM	#559
ElJamoquio Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 4,873	Originally posted by sledger OK, thanks.. Obviously you must be right as you have a K-5. But I did check dpr before I posted the question and found that their published specs don't support this, they list 100 ISO as the lowest for the K5 range. It's an 'extended range' option. As such it might be in the K-3 but we'll see. I'd rather have ISO 20 than ISO51200 myself.

10-07-2013, 08:21 AM	#560
cream Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2013 Photos: Albums Posts: 91	Originally posted by ElJamoquio It's an 'extended range' option. As such it might be in the K-3 but we'll see. I'd rather have ISO 20 than ISO51200 myself. i would rather have lower iso too... the higher ISO are so noisy in k-5... unuseable. lower ISO would be useable... useful!

10-07-2013, 08:54 AM	#561
Rondec Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Gladys, Virginia Photos: Gallery Posts: 27,653	I wonder if base iso was lower if it would make the ceiling iso lower as well. That is if your base iso was 25, then photos would start to look crappy at iso 600. I certainly wouldn't want that. I do use iso 6400 at times, just as I use iso 80.

10-07-2013, 08:57 AM	#562
Mistral75 Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Paris, France Posts: 7,527 Original Poster	Originally posted by pentaxk10duser Mistral75 .So do you have to use special lens that has what your talking about in the lens and a built in motor in the lens for video to make your Camera work right as a video camera to get auto focusing as good as regular video devices. Yes, the quietest and smoothest autofocus in video mode is provided by lenses, the built-in motor of which is a stepper motor.

10-07-2013, 01:27 PM	#563
Chaos_Realm Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Melbourne, Australia Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 1,251	I think i would be keen on ISO less than 50 from the longer exposure standpoint without the need for ND filters. Just so i can drag the shutter that extra bit longer or stay out of diffraction zones on a lens. The number of times i have seen a shot but left the ND at home, thus not being able to capture it, are starting to tally up.

10-07-2013, 01:55 PM	#564
Barry Pearson Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Stockport Posts: 964	Originally posted by Chaos_Realm I think i would be keen on ISO less than 50 from the longer exposure standpoint without the need for ND filters. Just so i can drag the shutter that extra bit longer or stay out of diffraction zones on a lens. The number of times i have seen a shot but left the ND at home, thus not being able to capture it, are starting to tally up. Yes. I carry a 2-stop ND filter for exactly this reason. Mainly for studio work, because my studio is small and it is sometimes hard to avoid pushing my lenses to f/11 or smaller.

10-07-2013, 04:22 PM	#565
MarkJerling Moderator Site Supporter Join Date: May 2012 Location: Wairarapa, New Zealand Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 20,406	Well, speculation can end now! Pentax K-3 Announced - Pentax News - PentaxForums.com

10-07-2013, 05:59 PM	#566
Barry Pearson Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Stockport Posts: 964	Originally posted by MarkJerling Well, speculation can end now! Pentax K-3 Announced - Pentax News - PentaxForums.com Here is Ricoh's K-3 page.

10-07-2013, 06:24 PM	#567
lesmore49 Pentaxian Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Western Canada Posts: 12,344	Originally posted by snake Pentax is simply the K-mount and has been for decades. There's little left. So to hate Ricoh all of a sudden, who seems to be showing initiative, in small ways, is laughable. If anything, Ricoh hasn't even been given a chance yet to fail or prosper with the brand, which is why they should really not care for the old stalwarts of the old era. They will hate everything and not buy anything. New customers are where it's at. Snakester, Don't think anybody is 'hating' Ricoh. More of just wanting to see the grand old name 'Pentax' survive. I would also say that many Pentaxians are happy that Ricoh took over Pentax. Lester

10-07-2013, 06:25 PM	#568
kenyee Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Boston, PRofMA Photos: Albums Posts: 3,026	Originally posted by pinholecam Well, I wouldn't be too sure of that ok...so the D7100 doesn't have better video...the K-3 just seems to be on par w/ it now (no surprise because of what we know of the processor specs posted a few weeks ago). 1080/60i max.

10-07-2013, 06:29 PM	#569
cream Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2013 Photos: Albums Posts: 91	FINALLY!!! i am so happy!!! it has everything I want!! only $1300!! I wonder how many silver versions they made... for $300 more and with a battery grip it's a steal! the preorder is for Americans, can you preorder outside of America? do they have worldwide delivery? maybe I will send them an email... ^^ ah have to wait til november... but not long...

10-07-2013, 06:38 PM	#570
kenyee Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Boston, PRofMA Photos: Albums Posts: 3,026	Originally posted by Kunzite The crop mode is irrelevant Actually, the D7100's crop mode is relevant because it covers the entire image w/ the AF sensors which is important for their AF-C tracking mode so you can track stuff to the edges. It bumps frame speed up a bit too. I do agree they crippled the buffer size though. And there's no way the new AF system will do what the D7100's does (though most people don't need to do football player type tracking) Nikon's D300 AF module was meant to compete w/ Canon's 1D series which was a huge lead over Nikon's older AF systems for tracking...