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JeffP3456 · 10-05-2013, 06:28 PM

Originally posted by krebsy75

My second comment may have been unnecessary. In fact, my wife agrees with you. Having said that, do you realize these posts show up on google? Each and every one may live forever and ever.

I'm in IT and this is one of my pet peeves. That is, comments based on guesses as opposed to fact.

And I happened to think the D7100 used a Sony sensor up until a week ago Why? No doubt because I learned of it from some misinformed forum post.

Apology accepted and I have to tell you that after much googling I can find no evidence that the D7100 uses a Toshiba sensor, there is one reviewer who mentions it with no source and some "experts" on dpreview with no source but afaik it is just an opinion. What convinced you?

krebsy75 · 10-05-2013, 06:30 PM

I googled "D7100 Toshiba" prior to my jerk of a post. I forget where I saw it originally.

**pentaximus** · 10-05-2013, 06:33 PM

Originally posted by panoguy

Silver or Black, I could go for either... it's the dual-SD card icon on the back (lower right) that has me excited! Hopefully it has the "rolling backup" function that the 645D has...

Yep, glad to finally see this feature. Two thumbs up... one for each card slot!

farhagh · 10-05-2013, 06:34 PM

I like the silver too. What I don't like is having a Pentax for others and a Ricoh for myself (at least as ling as I'm taking photos)

KDD · 10-05-2013, 06:51 PM

Awesome I like Silver/black.

ElJamoquio · 10-05-2013, 08:37 PM

Originally posted by JeffP3456

don't forget guys, that the D7100 uses a 24MP sensor without AA
maybe the K3 will be the same?

No-AA might have no AA filter 'standard', but if not it almost certainly will be an option. Good riddance (at 24 MP).

hongzhibin1987 · 10-05-2013, 09:11 PM

APSC, why even bother...

krebsy75 · 10-05-2013, 09:32 PM

Because the Pentax philosophy as of this moment is APS-C DSLR or die.

Hopefully they have a good plan because the market they are heavily vested in is contracting.

**RobA_Oz** · 10-05-2013, 10:03 PM

Originally posted by hongzhibin1987

APSC, why even bother...

Because that's where the majority of sales are now, and in the immediate future. It's a different view of the world when you're actually in charge of making a success of an engineered product.

hongzhibin1987 · 10-05-2013, 10:28 PM

Originally posted by RobA_Oz

Because that's where the majority of sales are now, and in the immediate future. It's a different view of the world when you're actually in charge of making a success of an engineered product.

Oh of course.
Even many ppl bitch about the current situation, I do support APS-C Priority of Ricoh.
But, yeah, I'm still going to bitch about it...you know, the FF thing.

**Pål Jensen** · 10-06-2013, 04:20 AM

Originally posted by krebsy75

Because the Pentax philosophy as of this moment is APS-C DSLR or die.

Hopefully they have a good plan because the market they are heavily vested in is contracting.

And wheres the data for that? Acording to latest data the whole camera market is contracting but APS share among DSLR's is constant.

Mistral75 · 10-06-2013, 04:57 AM

Originally posted by Pål Jensen

And where's the data for that? According to latest data the whole camera market is contracting but APS share among DSLR's is constant.

Do you have reliable data splitting the DSLR market between APS-C and smaller and 24x36 and bigger? I would be very very much interested in them.

krebsy75 · 10-06-2013, 05:23 AM

APS-C appears to be migrating from SLR to mirrorless. Swinging mirrors is pretty old technology don't you think?

D1N0 · 10-06-2013, 05:30 AM

Originally posted by krebsy75

APS-C appears to be migrating from SLR to mirrorless. Swinging mirrors is pretty old technology don't you think?

Turning wheels is as well, but I don't see many hovercrafts on the road. It's the only solution for a direct optical path in the right frame between photographer and subject.

Kunzite · 10-06-2013, 05:30 AM

Originally posted by krebsy75

APS-C appears to be migrating from SLR to mirrorless. Swinging mirrors is pretty old technology don't you think?

That's what the MILC propaganda claims, but as soon as you check the facts (e.g. the publicly available CIPA data) it quickly falls apart. Don't trust their claims.
The MILCs aren't gaining any terrain over DSLRs, but remains at about 1/5 of the DSLR market. A migration of DSLRs towards FF would be noticeable, in the average value of DSLRs; there's no such effect.

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10-05-2013, 06:28 PM	#91
JeffP3456 Forum Member Join Date: May 2012 Location: Palm Beach County, Florida Photos: Gallery Posts: 64	Originally posted by krebsy75 My second comment may have been unnecessary. In fact, my wife agrees with you. Having said that, do you realize these posts show up on google? Each and every one may live forever and ever. I'm in IT and this is one of my pet peeves. That is, comments based on guesses as opposed to fact. And I happened to think the D7100 used a Sony sensor up until a week ago Why? No doubt because I learned of it from some misinformed forum post. Apology accepted and I have to tell you that after much googling I can find no evidence that the D7100 uses a Toshiba sensor, there is one reviewer who mentions it with no source and some "experts" on dpreview with no source but afaik it is just an opinion. What convinced you?

10-05-2013, 06:30 PM	#92
krebsy75 Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Chester County, Pa. Posts: 804	I googled "D7100 Toshiba" prior to my jerk of a post. I forget where I saw it originally.

10-05-2013, 06:33 PM	#93
pentaximus Site Supporter Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Covington, Georgia Photos: Gallery Posts: 926	Originally posted by panoguy Silver or Black, I could go for either... it's the dual-SD card icon on the back (lower right) that has me excited! Hopefully it has the "rolling backup" function that the 645D has... Yep, glad to finally see this feature. Two thumbs up... one for each card slot!

10-05-2013, 06:34 PM	#94
farhagh Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Ohio Photos: Albums Posts: 339	I like the silver too. What I don't like is having a Pentax for others and a Ricoh for myself (at least as ling as I'm taking photos)

10-05-2013, 06:51 PM	#95
KDD Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2013 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 403	Awesome I like Silver/black.

10-05-2013, 08:37 PM	#96
ElJamoquio Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 4,873	Originally posted by JeffP3456 don't forget guys, that the D7100 uses a 24MP sensor without AA maybe the K3 will be the same? No-AA might have no AA filter 'standard', but if not it almost certainly will be an option. Good riddance (at 24 MP).

10-05-2013, 09:11 PM	#97
hongzhibin1987 Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Albuquerque, NM Posts: 464	APSC, why even bother...

10-05-2013, 09:32 PM	#98
krebsy75 Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Chester County, Pa. Posts: 804	Because the Pentax philosophy as of this moment is APS-C DSLR or die. Hopefully they have a good plan because the market they are heavily vested in is contracting.

10-05-2013, 10:03 PM	#99
RobA_Oz Site Supporter Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Tasmania, Australia Photos: Gallery Posts: 8,023	Originally posted by hongzhibin1987 APSC, why even bother... Because that's where the majority of sales are now, and in the immediate future. It's a different view of the world when you're actually in charge of making a success of an engineered product.

10-05-2013, 10:28 PM	#100
hongzhibin1987 Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Albuquerque, NM Posts: 464	Originally posted by RobA_Oz Because that's where the majority of sales are now, and in the immediate future. It's a different view of the world when you're actually in charge of making a success of an engineered product. Oh of course. Even many ppl bitch about the current situation, I do support APS-C Priority of Ricoh. But, yeah, I'm still going to bitch about it...you know, the FF thing.

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10-06-2013, 04:20 AM	#101
Pål Jensen Site Supporter Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Norway Photos: Albums Posts: 4,369	Originally posted by krebsy75 Because the Pentax philosophy as of this moment is APS-C DSLR or die. Hopefully they have a good plan because the market they are heavily vested in is contracting. And wheres the data for that? Acording to latest data the whole camera market is contracting but APS share among DSLR's is constant.

10-06-2013, 04:57 AM	#102
Mistral75 Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Paris, France Posts: 7,373	Originally posted by Pål Jensen And where's the data for that? According to latest data the whole camera market is contracting but APS share among DSLR's is constant. Do you have reliable data splitting the DSLR market between APS-C and smaller and 24x36 and bigger? I would be very very much interested in them.

10-06-2013, 05:23 AM	#103
krebsy75 Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Chester County, Pa. Posts: 804	APS-C appears to be migrating from SLR to mirrorless. Swinging mirrors is pretty old technology don't you think?

10-06-2013, 05:30 AM	#104
D1N0 Pentaxian Join Date: May 2012 Location: --- Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,799	Originally posted by krebsy75 APS-C appears to be migrating from SLR to mirrorless. Swinging mirrors is pretty old technology don't you think? Turning wheels is as well, but I don't see many hovercrafts on the road. It's the only solution for a direct optical path in the right frame between photographer and subject.

10-06-2013, 05:30 AM	#105
Kunzite Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Romania Posts: 15,131	Originally posted by krebsy75 APS-C appears to be migrating from SLR to mirrorless. Swinging mirrors is pretty old technology don't you think? That's what the MILC propaganda claims, but as soon as you check the facts (e.g. the publicly available CIPA data) it quickly falls apart. Don't trust their claims. The MILCs aren't gaining any terrain over DSLRs, but remains at about 1/5 of the DSLR market. A migration of DSLRs towards FF would be noticeable, in the average value of DSLRs; there's no such effect.

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