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thibs · 10-11-2013, 08:21 AM

Originally posted by kricha6431

Sorry, but I have been a long time Pentax Lover, so, I disagree that i need to check my facts

Is there a connection between those 2 points ? Where?

Winder · 10-11-2013, 08:27 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by kricha6431

Sorry, but I have been a long time Pentax Lover, so, I disagree that i need to check my facts

Well, now you can be a Ricoh lover, and you still need to check your facts.

harrisonww · 10-11-2013, 10:16 AM

WHY o WHY do you sync so slow pentax

This is what may break or make my decision to buy!. Frame rate for sequences FINALLY 8+ fps. (AMAZING) but how is anyone going to shoot flashes outside without motion blur. Action sports at 180 is not fast enough!

thibs · 10-11-2013, 10:39 AM

Originally posted by harrisonww

WHY o WHY do you sync so slow pentax

This is what may break or make my decision to buy!. Frame rate for sequences FINALLY 8+ fps. (AMAZING) but how is anyone going to shoot flashes outside without motion blur. Action sports at 180 is not fast enough!

Because of SR most probably. IMO they should do as Sony and lets do 1/250 when SR is off.

**jatrax** · 10-11-2013, 10:41 AM

I'm getting the impression the k-3 must be a pretty good camera. It seems the only thing that can be complained about is the flash sync speed. The anti-Pentax propaganda crowd must be getting desperate

kricha6431 · 10-11-2013, 10:41 AM

Originally posted by Winder

Well, now you can be a Ricoh lover, and you still need to check your facts.

sorry, but I disagree in checking my facts, my facts are straight:
i have known Pentax since before the days of Pentax film cameras when it was Asahi Pentax!
now you go check your facts

halfspin · 10-11-2013, 10:57 AM

I remember reading something about the sync speed having to do with heat or something. Carping about specifics on a camera is hardly anti-Pentax propaganda.

Cynog Ap Brychan · 10-11-2013, 11:07 AM

Originally posted by kricha6431

i have known Pentax since before the days of Pentax film cameras when it was Asahi Pentax!

Sorry, but the first Asahi film cameras were not branded "Pentax".

thibs · 10-11-2013, 11:18 AM

Originally posted by Cynog Ap Brychan

Sorry, but the first Asahi film cameras were not branded "Pentax".

And Pentax was only a brand of Asahi Optical.

bxf · 10-11-2013, 11:21 AM

Originally posted by kricha6431

sorry, but I disagree in checking my facts, my facts are straight:
i have known Pentax since before the days of Pentax film cameras when it was Asahi Pentax!
now you go check your facts

But that's the whole point. Asahi was the company that used Pentax as a photo marketing line. More recently, Pentax was owned by Hoya. There was a relatively short period during which there actually was a company named Pentax, but this has not been the case for most of Pentax history.

kricha6431 · 10-11-2013, 11:22 AM

Originally posted by Cynog Ap Brychan

Sorry, but the first Asahi film cameras were not branded "Pentax".

i never said the first Asahi, I said when they were Asahi Pentax

**monochrome** · 10-11-2013, 11:27 AM

Originally posted by harrisonww

WHY o WHY do you sync so slow pentax

This is what may break or make my decision to buy!. Frame rate for sequences FINALLY 8+ fps. (AMAZING) but how is anyone going to shoot flashes outside without motion blur. Action sports at 180 is not fast enough!

Originally posted by thibs

Because of SR most probably. IMO they should do as Sony and lets do 1/250 when SR is off.

Originally posted by halfspin

I remember reading something about the sync speed having to do with heat or something. Carping about specifics on a camera is hardly anti-Pentax propaganda.

According to Digitalis (who shows 1/250 images with shutter curtains in the frame) the 1/180 sync speed is a limitation of the elderly shutter design, nothing more, nothing less. Increasing the sync speed to 1/250 (he says) would require a completely new shutter design - which may be the next engineering effort on the table - but wasn't done for the K-3.

LamyTax · 10-11-2013, 11:47 AM

Originally posted by harrisonww

WHY o WHY do you sync so slow pentax

This is what may break or make my decision to buy!. Frame rate for sequences FINALLY 8+ fps. (AMAZING) but how is anyone going to shoot flashes outside without motion blur. Action sports at 180 is not fast enough!

I don't see how 1/200 or 1/250 would make for a relevant improvement over 1/180. That's 1/3 to 1/2 EV.

Get into leaf shutter territory (medium format; NOT in the 645D) and you can have 1/500 to 1/1.000 easily. That seems more like it.

Kunzite · 10-11-2013, 12:04 PM

Originally posted by monochrome

According to Digitalis (who shows 1/250 images with shutter curtains in the frame) the 1/180 sync speed is a limitation of the elderly shutter design, nothing more, nothing less. Increasing the sync speed to 1/250 (he says) would require a completely new shutter design - which may be the next engineering effort on the table - but wasn't done for the K-3.

What was done instead was to increase its reliability.

dosdan · 10-11-2013, 01:06 PM

Originally posted by harrisonww

but how is anyone going to shoot flashes outside without motion blur. Action sports at 180 is not fast enough!

I could put on my Sigma 530 DG Super flash and use HSS. But I don't use a flash for sports (Soccer, Athletics) as I don't want to distract the competitors. Indoor sports are a problem, but outdoors sports with partial or full back-lighting (I can't always get the sun behind me), respond well to the Exmor sensor's low read noise, which allows you to boost the shadows successfully.

Dan.

10-11-2013, 10:16 AM	#348
harrisonww Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: London Ontario Posts: 149	Pentax k3 flash WHY o WHY do you sync so slow pentax This is what may break or make my decision to buy!. Frame rate for sequences FINALLY 8+ fps. (AMAZING) but how is anyone going to shoot flashes outside without motion blur. Action sports at 180 is not fast enough!

10-11-2013, 01:06 PM	#360
dosdan Pentaxian Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Brisbane, Australia Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 1,741	Originally posted by harrisonww but how is anyone going to shoot flashes outside without motion blur. Action sports at 180 is not fast enough! I could put on my Sigma 530 DG Super flash and use HSS. But I don't use a flash for sports (Soccer, Athletics) as I don't want to distract the competitors. Indoor sports are a problem, but outdoors sports with partial or full back-lighting (I can't always get the sun behind me), respond well to the Exmor sensor's low read noise, which allows you to boost the shadows successfully. Dan. Last edited by dosdan; 10-11-2013 at 01:13 PM.

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10-11-2013, 08:21 AM	#346
thibs Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Belgium Photos: Albums Posts: 7,001	Originally posted by kricha6431 Sorry, but I have been a long time Pentax Lover, so, I disagree that i need to check my facts Is there a connection between those 2 points ? Where?

10-11-2013, 08:27 AM - 1 Like	#347
Winder Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Tennessee Posts: 6,617	Originally posted by kricha6431 Sorry, but I have been a long time Pentax Lover, so, I disagree that i need to check my facts Well, now you can be a Ricoh lover, and you still need to check your facts.

10-11-2013, 10:39 AM	#349
thibs Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Belgium Photos: Albums Posts: 7,001	Originally posted by harrisonww WHY o WHY do you sync so slow pentax This is what may break or make my decision to buy!. Frame rate for sequences FINALLY 8+ fps. (AMAZING) but how is anyone going to shoot flashes outside without motion blur. Action sports at 180 is not fast enough! Because of SR most probably. IMO they should do as Sony and lets do 1/250 when SR is off.

10-11-2013, 10:41 AM	#350
jatrax Site Supporter Join Date: May 2010 Location: Washington Cascades Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 12,991	I'm getting the impression the k-3 must be a pretty good camera. It seems the only thing that can be complained about is the flash sync speed. The anti-Pentax propaganda crowd must be getting desperate

10-11-2013, 10:41 AM	#351
kricha6431 Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: Silsbee, TX Posts: 91	Originally posted by Winder Well, now you can be a Ricoh lover, and you still need to check your facts. sorry, but I disagree in checking my facts, my facts are straight: i have known Pentax since before the days of Pentax film cameras when it was Asahi Pentax! now you go check your facts

10-11-2013, 10:57 AM	#352
halfspin Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2012 Photos: Gallery Posts: 258	I remember reading something about the sync speed having to do with heat or something. Carping about specifics on a camera is hardly anti-Pentax propaganda.

10-11-2013, 11:07 AM	#353
Cynog Ap Brychan Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: Gloucester Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,199	Originally posted by kricha6431 i have known Pentax since before the days of Pentax film cameras when it was Asahi Pentax! Sorry, but the first Asahi film cameras were not branded "Pentax".

10-11-2013, 11:18 AM	#354
thibs Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Belgium Photos: Albums Posts: 7,001	Originally posted by Cynog Ap Brychan Sorry, but the first Asahi film cameras were not branded "Pentax". And Pentax was only a brand of Asahi Optical.

10-11-2013, 11:21 AM	#355
bxf Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Lisbon area Posts: 1,660	Originally posted by kricha6431 sorry, but I disagree in checking my facts, my facts are straight: i have known Pentax since before the days of Pentax film cameras when it was Asahi Pentax! now you go check your facts But that's the whole point. Asahi was the company that used Pentax as a photo marketing line. More recently, Pentax was owned by Hoya. There was a relatively short period during which there actually was a company named Pentax, but this has not been the case for most of Pentax history.

10-11-2013, 11:22 AM	#356
kricha6431 Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: Silsbee, TX Posts: 91	Originally posted by Cynog Ap Brychan Sorry, but the first Asahi film cameras were not branded "Pentax". i never said the first Asahi, I said when they were Asahi Pentax

10-11-2013, 11:27 AM	#357
monochrome Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Working From Home Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 26,276	Originally posted by harrisonww WHY o WHY do you sync so slow pentax This is what may break or make my decision to buy!. Frame rate for sequences FINALLY 8+ fps. (AMAZING) but how is anyone going to shoot flashes outside without motion blur. Action sports at 180 is not fast enough! Originally posted by thibs Because of SR most probably. IMO they should do as Sony and lets do 1/250 when SR is off. Originally posted by halfspin I remember reading something about the sync speed having to do with heat or something. Carping about specifics on a camera is hardly anti-Pentax propaganda. According to Digitalis (who shows 1/250 images with shutter curtains in the frame) the 1/180 sync speed is a limitation of the elderly shutter design, nothing more, nothing less. Increasing the sync speed to 1/250 (he says) would require a completely new shutter design - which may be the next engineering effort on the table - but wasn't done for the K-3.

10-11-2013, 11:47 AM	#358
LamyTax Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Posts: 376	Originally posted by harrisonww WHY o WHY do you sync so slow pentax This is what may break or make my decision to buy!. Frame rate for sequences FINALLY 8+ fps. (AMAZING) but how is anyone going to shoot flashes outside without motion blur. Action sports at 180 is not fast enough! I don't see how 1/200 or 1/250 would make for a relevant improvement over 1/180. That's 1/3 to 1/2 EV. Get into leaf shutter territory (medium format; NOT in the 645D) and you can have 1/500 to 1/1.000 easily. That seems more like it.

10-11-2013, 12:04 PM	#359
Kunzite Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Romania Posts: 15,132	Originally posted by monochrome According to Digitalis (who shows 1/250 images with shutter curtains in the frame) the 1/180 sync speed is a limitation of the elderly shutter design, nothing more, nothing less. Increasing the sync speed to 1/250 (he says) would require a completely new shutter design - which may be the next engineering effort on the table - but wasn't done for the K-3. What was done instead was to increase its reliability.

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