Pentax K-3 highlights

cream · 10-07-2013, 07:13 AM

Originally posted by jonny1986

agree i cannot believe they just left us with h264...avi is much better. raw would be amazing and would really create a wow in the cinema world.
is great also we can disabled age and manual control audio. no more need for external recorder it seems.

yes... i was so eager to buy it right away! now i have to think... the video controls in k-3 are better... but if h264 is the only format... i will have to think hard! i don't think i can keep both...

jonny1986 · 10-07-2013, 07:14 AM

Originally posted by Fototim

Correct :-)

I should have used the term over power. My only excuse is that I'm not a native English speaker.

i agree. but still overpower is a big word...clearly a third of stop ig good...

but for example i use the fuji x100 and that's great for killing because you can use any shiutter speed.

jonny1986 · 10-07-2013, 07:15 AM

Originally posted by cream

yes... i was so eager to buy it right away! now i have to think... the video controls in k-3 are better... but if h264 is the only format... i will have to think hard! i don't think i can keep both...

no we have also avi...not bad definitely...but in my opinion if they come out with 4k or raw video they hit an home run against competition pushing pentax in the cine world....canon 5d3 with magic lantern can registe raw video for short time....

awaldram · 10-07-2013, 07:16 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by jonny1986

raw output in video seems an error ...in my opinion....maybe it would be noce to have an active hdmi out port to register externally.

AFAIN there is no container for RAW video the concept does not exist within consumer products ,

Even if the were you'd wipe out 128GB SD cards in seconds.

It's a pipe dream that people don;t even understand what they wish for , Having worked with RAW video where large multispindle RAID 3 arrays are used just to get the throughput no SD has been invented that could even approach the required bandwidth.

The current spec for HDMI is 10.2Gb/s and clean HDMI (RAW) is possible but as the nickname suggests requires judder free data from the source something I doubt any consumer product could deliver.

D1N0 · 10-07-2013, 07:16 AM

Originally posted by jonny1986

agree i cannot believe they just left us with h264...avi is much better. raw would be amazing and would really create a wow in the cinema world.
is great also we can disabled age and manual control audio. no more need for external recorder it seems.

AVI is a container format, it doesn't say a thing about the codec used. it is possible to produce lossless video with h.264.Pentax uses it because it is the standard and supported bij the image processor (prime III? the premature specs page did not say).

cream · 10-07-2013, 07:18 AM

Originally posted by jonny1986

raw output in video seems an error ...in my opinion....maybe it would be noce to have an active hdmi out port to register externally.

you can connect k-5s through hdmi and record video and get the output directly to the screen you have the hdmi connected to... but i haven't tried directly recording it with anything, i've only used a tv screen to see the image larger than on lcd to see the amount of noise in different lighting... i don't even know what the output to hdmi is

I think the hdmi output is not fullHD...

Barry Pearson · 10-07-2013, 07:22 AM

Originally posted by awaldram

AFAIN there is no container for RAW video the concept does not exist within consumer products ,

Even if the were you'd wipe out 128GB SD cards in seconds.

It's a pipe dream that people don;t even understand what they wish for , Having worked with RAW video where large multispindle RAID 3 arrays are used just to get the throughput no SD has been invented that could even approach the required bandwidth.

The current spec for HDMI is 10.2Gb/s and clean HDMI (RAW) is possible but as the nickname suggests requires judder free data from the source something I doubt any consumer product could deliver.

Isn't CinemaDNG a container for raw video?

aleonx3 · 10-07-2013, 07:22 AM

Originally posted by D1N0

Maybe it has focus peeking maybe not. There nothing about any prime III or any other image processor in there, but is is bound to have one.

There was a leaked photo of the LCD on the pre-production model showing the focus peaking option...

vboy · 10-07-2013, 07:24 AM

seems like ricoh/pentax is listening to non-ff consumers....a leap-frog of specs and innovations,not just one,but,a lot! maybe it would come out as the best apsc camera...might ditch my K-5 for this when reviews are released .can't wait to see IQ output of this sensor and the benchmarks! bravo! pentax.

greetings from Athens!

awaldram · 10-07-2013, 07:24 AM

Originally posted by cream

I'm curious about this... RAW would be good, no compression. I think MotionJPG is less compression than x264/h.264 which is heavily compressed... I prefer a 5 minute video that takes 1.5 GB... than a 200MB video that is full of compression artefacts...

Uncompressed HD if it was possible would give about 12 Minutes on a 128GB SD card !!

awaldram · 10-07-2013, 07:25 AM

Originally posted by Barry Pearson

Isn't CinemaDNG a container for raw video?

I meant on the spec released.

BUt I see no take up of this within Consumer propducts ? anyway

and even adobe don't appear convinced

"There does not appear to be any commitment from Adobe (or any other company) to submit CinemaDNG to a standards body such as ISO"

vboy · 10-07-2013, 07:29 AM

Originally posted by Vylen

Right, so it's gotten to the point where Ricoh is leaking itself

Before the pages get pulled and disappear:

cool,bro, love re-reading the K3.

Steve.Ledger · 10-07-2013, 07:31 AM

Those posted Ricoh links to the K-3 come up 404 not found now..

eg: http://www.us.ricoh-imaging.com/dslr/K-3_Limited_Edition_Silver_
and http://www.us.ricoh-imaging.com/dslr/K-3_#!product-specs

jonny1986 · 10-07-2013, 07:32 AM

Originally posted by awaldram

Uncompressed HD if it was possible would give about 12 Minutes on a 128GB SD card !!

i thnk uncompressed utput can be used for serious work not for amateur video...so when you need serious output, if you need, you can use it and fill and hard disk.
but i doubt.

**NaClH2O** · 10-07-2013, 07:32 AM

Originally posted by Asahiflex

So what's the BIG thing in the K-3 that was undisclosed yet???

price?

NaCl(if you have to ask "how much?" you can't afford it)H2O

10-07-2013, 07:24 AM	#144
vboy Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 46	seems like ricoh/pentax is listening to non-ff consumers....a leap-frog of specs and innovations,not just one,but,a lot! maybe it would come out as the best apsc camera...might ditch my K-5 for this when reviews are released .can't wait to see IQ output of this sensor and the benchmarks! bravo! pentax. greetings from Athens! Last edited by vboy; 10-07-2013 at 07:25 AM. Reason: addendum

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10-07-2013, 07:13 AM	#136
cream Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2013 Photos: Albums Posts: 91	Originally posted by jonny1986 agree i cannot believe they just left us with h264...avi is much better. raw would be amazing and would really create a wow in the cinema world. is great also we can disabled age and manual control audio. no more need for external recorder it seems. yes... i was so eager to buy it right away! now i have to think... the video controls in k-3 are better... but if h264 is the only format... i will have to think hard! i don't think i can keep both...

10-07-2013, 07:14 AM	#137
jonny1986 Inactive Account Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: italy Posts: 411	Originally posted by Fototim Correct :-) I should have used the term over power. My only excuse is that I'm not a native English speaker. i agree. but still overpower is a big word...clearly a third of stop ig good... but for example i use the fuji x100 and that's great for killing because you can use any shiutter speed.

10-07-2013, 07:15 AM	#138
jonny1986 Inactive Account Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: italy Posts: 411	Originally posted by cream yes... i was so eager to buy it right away! now i have to think... the video controls in k-3 are better... but if h264 is the only format... i will have to think hard! i don't think i can keep both... no we have also avi...not bad definitely...but in my opinion if they come out with 4k or raw video they hit an home run against competition pushing pentax in the cine world....canon 5d3 with magic lantern can registe raw video for short time....

10-07-2013, 07:16 AM - 1 Like	#139
awaldram Veteran Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Hampshire Photos: Gallery Posts: 732	Originally posted by jonny1986 raw output in video seems an error ...in my opinion....maybe it would be noce to have an active hdmi out port to register externally. AFAIN there is no container for RAW video the concept does not exist within consumer products , Even if the were you'd wipe out 128GB SD cards in seconds. It's a pipe dream that people don;t even understand what they wish for , Having worked with RAW video where large multispindle RAID 3 arrays are used just to get the throughput no SD has been invented that could even approach the required bandwidth. The current spec for HDMI is 10.2Gb/s and clean HDMI (RAW) is possible but as the nickname suggests requires judder free data from the source something I doubt any consumer product could deliver.

10-07-2013, 07:16 AM	#140
D1N0 Pentaxian Join Date: May 2012 Location: --- Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,802	Originally posted by jonny1986 agree i cannot believe they just left us with h264...avi is much better. raw would be amazing and would really create a wow in the cinema world. is great also we can disabled age and manual control audio. no more need for external recorder it seems. AVI is a container format, it doesn't say a thing about the codec used. it is possible to produce lossless video with h.264.Pentax uses it because it is the standard and supported bij the image processor (prime III? the premature specs page did not say).

10-07-2013, 07:18 AM	#141
cream Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2013 Photos: Albums Posts: 91	Originally posted by jonny1986 raw output in video seems an error ...in my opinion....maybe it would be noce to have an active hdmi out port to register externally. you can connect k-5s through hdmi and record video and get the output directly to the screen you have the hdmi connected to... but i haven't tried directly recording it with anything, i've only used a tv screen to see the image larger than on lcd to see the amount of noise in different lighting... i don't even know what the output to hdmi is I think the hdmi output is not fullHD...

10-07-2013, 07:22 AM	#142
Barry Pearson Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Stockport Posts: 964	Originally posted by awaldram AFAIN there is no container for RAW video the concept does not exist within consumer products , Even if the were you'd wipe out 128GB SD cards in seconds. It's a pipe dream that people don;t even understand what they wish for , Having worked with RAW video where large multispindle RAID 3 arrays are used just to get the throughput no SD has been invented that could even approach the required bandwidth. The current spec for HDMI is 10.2Gb/s and clean HDMI (RAW) is possible but as the nickname suggests requires judder free data from the source something I doubt any consumer product could deliver. Isn't CinemaDNG a container for raw video?

10-07-2013, 07:22 AM	#143
aleonx3 Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Brampton, Ontario Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 3,996	Originally posted by D1N0 Maybe it has focus peeking maybe not. There nothing about any prime III or any other image processor in there, but is is bound to have one. There was a leaked photo of the LCD on the pre-production model showing the focus peaking option...

10-07-2013, 07:24 AM	#145
awaldram Veteran Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Hampshire Photos: Gallery Posts: 732	Originally posted by cream I'm curious about this... RAW would be good, no compression. I think MotionJPG is less compression than x264/h.264 which is heavily compressed... I prefer a 5 minute video that takes 1.5 GB... than a 200MB video that is full of compression artefacts... Uncompressed HD if it was possible would give about 12 Minutes on a 128GB SD card !!

10-07-2013, 07:25 AM	#146
awaldram Veteran Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Hampshire Photos: Gallery Posts: 732	Originally posted by Barry Pearson Isn't CinemaDNG a container for raw video? I meant on the spec released. BUt I see no take up of this within Consumer propducts ? anyway and even adobe don't appear convinced "There does not appear to be any commitment from Adobe (or any other company) to submit CinemaDNG to a standards body such as ISO"

10-07-2013, 07:29 AM	#147
vboy Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 46	Originally posted by Vylen Right, so it's gotten to the point where Ricoh is leaking itself Before the pages get pulled and disappear: cool,bro, love re-reading the K3.

10-07-2013, 07:31 AM	#148
Steve.Ledger Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Far North Qld Posts: 3,301	Those posted Ricoh links to the K-3 come up 404 not found now.. eg: http://www.us.ricoh-imaging.com/dslr/K-3_Limited_Edition_Silver_ and http://www.us.ricoh-imaging.com/dslr/K-3_#!product-specs

10-07-2013, 07:32 AM	#149
jonny1986 Inactive Account Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: italy Posts: 411	Originally posted by awaldram Uncompressed HD if it was possible would give about 12 Minutes on a 128GB SD card !! i thnk uncompressed utput can be used for serious work not for amateur video...so when you need serious output, if you need, you can use it and fill and hard disk. but i doubt.

10-07-2013, 07:32 AM	#150
NaClH2O Site Supporter Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Bronx NY Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 5,631	Originally posted by Asahiflex So what's the BIG thing in the K-3 that was undisclosed yet??? price? NaCl(if you have to ask "how much?" you can't afford it)H2O