Pentax-Ricoh Russia Answers: FF and Ricoh future

Kunzite · 11-21-2013, 12:29 AM

Stripped down Df-like cameras are more expensive, not cheaper. The more features you're stripping down, the more you add to the price

Crippled down cameras - i.e. plastic, noisy shutters, lower quality viewfinders etc but still with all the consumer features - would be cheaper indeed, but I don't need such things. The A3000 is a good example of a crippled down camera.

Making 2 cameras instead of one won't decrease the price either.

Mehlsack · 11-21-2013, 01:21 AM

I think for pentax it is more usefull to make the first FF specced like the K3 for APS-C. It might not need 30MPs upwards but i think to get NEW customers to pentax it has to be a VERY good dslr.
With things like the 5d Mk III and the D800 around it has tobe "kickass", because Pentax has to offer "more bang for the buck" to get people excited and whilling to "experiement" with pentax.

Barry Pearson · 11-21-2013, 01:39 AM

Originally posted by Kunzite

Stripped down Df-like cameras are more expensive, not cheaper. The more features you're stripping down, the more you add to the price

Crippled down cameras - i.e. plastic, noisy shutters, lower quality viewfinders etc but still with all the consumer features - would be cheaper indeed, but I don't need such things. The A3000 is a good example of a crippled down camera.

Making 2 cameras instead of one won't decrease the price either.

True. A first Ricoh/Pentax FF digital camera needs to be equal to or exceed the K-3 in every respect. Otherwise it will be compared to the K-3 and people will think "why bother?"

Originally posted by Mehlsack

I think for pentax it is more usefull to make the first FF specced like the K3 for APS-C. It might not need 30MPs upwards but i think to get NEW customers to pentax it has to be a VERY good dslr.
With things like the 5d Mk III and the D800 around it has tobe "kickass", because Pentax has to offer "more bang for the buck" to get people excited and whilling to "experiement" with pentax.

Yes - very good. If it is "kickass", I would have the option of selling my house to buy a super camera (plus super extra lenses, I hope). If it is only so-so, I can't then get a super camera to sit alongside my K-3 (and my K-7 which has been converted to IR), even by selling my house!

Kunzite · 11-21-2013, 02:52 AM

Originally posted by Barry Pearson

True. A first Ricoh/Pentax FF digital camera needs to be equal to or exceed the K-3 in every respect. Otherwise it will be compared to the K-3 and people will think "why bother?"

Equal in specifications (except maybe the frame rate, due to a larger mirror) and clearly better in image quality, and viewfinder. They already have many components (electronics, parts of the body) which could be reused.

I also hope they'll have a proper, "full frame" AF system instead of reusing the APS-C one, clustering AF points in the center of the frame. This is another thing that won't get done by going the cheap route.

And yes, I'm prepared to pay more than what a D610 is worth.

MacGreg · 11-28-2013, 12:33 AM

Pentax Full-Frame Coming on 2014 « NEW CAMERA

Seems like the rumor is circulating ...

Zygonyx · 11-28-2013, 02:55 AM

One month later ... not really up to electron's speed

lytrytyr · 11-28-2013, 09:31 AM

Originally posted by MacGreg

Pentax Full-Frame Coming on 2014 « NEW CAMERA

<sarcasm>
Great site! They also offer this tidbit:

"Pentax Q will feature a APS-C sensor."
</sarcasm>

thibs · 11-28-2013, 10:18 PM

Originally posted by lytrytyr

<sarcasm>
Great site! They also offer this tidbit:

"Pentax Q will feature a APS-C sensor."
</sarcasm>

Hehe indeed but then the GR got that one.
The rumour was right (compact with APS-C sensor).
Name was wrong. That's the nature of rumours...

aurele · 11-30-2013, 12:05 PM - **1 Like**

i really love how rumors creates other rumors that are post elsewhere and that come back later and hence generates other rumors.

The rumored pentax FF is the perpetual machine

**jatrax** · 11-30-2013, 12:30 PM

Originally posted by aurele

The rumored pentax FF is the perpetual machine

If Ricoh could harness the rumor mill they could bring out FF camera for almost nothing and make money on the rumors

Clavius · 11-30-2013, 12:41 PM

No worries... Next fake Pentax FF rumor coming in a month or two.

normhead · 11-30-2013, 03:15 PM

Sounds like exactly the rumbling that was happening, just before the K-3 was released. All who nay-say are not necessarily correct, in fact there's a few posting in this thread I'm surprised are back up and running again after being stomped into the ground when the K-3 came out for release right on time with the rumour mill. I guess like baseball pitchers, it's good to have a short memory after giving up a home run. As I said right before the K-3 was released, it's a talent to know which rumours are real and which aren't. Personally I bought into the K-3 2 weeks before it was announced, just based on the number of semi-reliable and plausible sounding rumours, there are some nay sayers here who don't have nearly as good a track record.

**Rondec** · 11-30-2013, 03:19 PM

I don't know. I hadn't bought full frame stock up till now, but I do think Ricoh is targeting next year for such a release. Can't say when in the year, but I suppose when Ricoh thinks its ready. No real rush from my standpoint. K3 is a nice camera to hold me over till something more comes along.

JimmyDranox · 11-30-2013, 03:59 PM

From a commercial perspective, it would be a mistake as a new flagship camera will be launched earlier than six months after launching another flagship camera. And more, a year would be the optimal time.

But Pentax is in a special position because Canon, Nikon and Sony already has FF cameras, and if they wants to become a big player on the market, and K-3 seems to say that, Ricoh have to release a FF as soon as possible.

Moreover, rumors are one way to increase market interest, and Ricoh has shown us that knows how to handle these rumors before the launch of K-3. So, as I think these rumors are controlled and released intentionally.

normhead · 11-30-2013, 04:04 PM

That wouldn't surprise me at all. If you think o fate two extremes, Steve Jobs dropping hardware manufacturers for upstaging his release, and Windows constantly promising hardware and software they never produced and never had any intention of producing, just to keep people waiting on the imaginary Windows product instead of just buying from a competitor that already had what they wanted, I think Ricoh has found a happy medium. They let you know what they want you to know, when they want you to know it. But do it in a way they can never be accused of creating vapourware, just to keep epode from buying competitors product.

11-30-2013, 12:41 PM	#251
Clavius Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: De Klundert Photos: Gallery Posts: 4,150	No worries... Next fake Pentax FF rumor coming in a month or two. Last edited by Clavius; 11-30-2013 at 01:59 PM.

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11-21-2013, 12:29 AM	#241
Kunzite Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Romania Posts: 15,132	Stripped down Df-like cameras are more expensive, not cheaper. The more features you're stripping down, the more you add to the price Crippled down cameras - i.e. plastic, noisy shutters, lower quality viewfinders etc but still with all the consumer features - would be cheaper indeed, but I don't need such things. The A3000 is a good example of a crippled down camera. Making 2 cameras instead of one won't decrease the price either.

11-21-2013, 01:21 AM	#242
Mehlsack Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Innsbruck Posts: 283	I think for pentax it is more usefull to make the first FF specced like the K3 for APS-C. It might not need 30MPs upwards but i think to get NEW customers to pentax it has to be a VERY good dslr. With things like the 5d Mk III and the D800 around it has tobe "kickass", because Pentax has to offer "more bang for the buck" to get people excited and whilling to "experiement" with pentax.

11-21-2013, 01:39 AM	#243
Barry Pearson Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Stockport Posts: 964	Originally posted by Kunzite Stripped down Df-like cameras are more expensive, not cheaper. The more features you're stripping down, the more you add to the price Crippled down cameras - i.e. plastic, noisy shutters, lower quality viewfinders etc but still with all the consumer features - would be cheaper indeed, but I don't need such things. The A3000 is a good example of a crippled down camera. Making 2 cameras instead of one won't decrease the price either. True. A first Ricoh/Pentax FF digital camera needs to be equal to or exceed the K-3 in every respect. Otherwise it will be compared to the K-3 and people will think "why bother?" Originally posted by Mehlsack I think for pentax it is more usefull to make the first FF specced like the K3 for APS-C. It might not need 30MPs upwards but i think to get NEW customers to pentax it has to be a VERY good dslr. With things like the 5d Mk III and the D800 around it has tobe "kickass", because Pentax has to offer "more bang for the buck" to get people excited and whilling to "experiement" with pentax. Yes - very good. If it is "kickass", I would have the option of selling my house to buy a super camera (plus super extra lenses, I hope). If it is only so-so, I can't then get a super camera to sit alongside my K-3 (and my K-7 which has been converted to IR), even by selling my house!

11-21-2013, 02:52 AM	#244
Kunzite Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Romania Posts: 15,132	Originally posted by Barry Pearson True. A first Ricoh/Pentax FF digital camera needs to be equal to or exceed the K-3 in every respect. Otherwise it will be compared to the K-3 and people will think "why bother?" Equal in specifications (except maybe the frame rate, due to a larger mirror) and clearly better in image quality, and viewfinder. They already have many components (electronics, parts of the body) which could be reused. I also hope they'll have a proper, "full frame" AF system instead of reusing the APS-C one, clustering AF points in the center of the frame. This is another thing that won't get done by going the cheap route. And yes, I'm prepared to pay more than what a D610 is worth.

11-28-2013, 12:33 AM	#245
MacGreg New Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Greece Posts: 19	Pentax Full-Frame Coming on 2014 « NEW CAMERA Seems like the rumor is circulating ...

11-28-2013, 02:55 AM	#246
Zygonyx Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Ile de France Posts: 4,033	One month later ... not really up to electron's speed

11-28-2013, 09:31 AM	#247
lytrytyr Pentaxian Join Date: Nov 2011 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 4,310	Originally posted by MacGreg Pentax Full-Frame Coming on 2014 « NEW CAMERA <sarcasm> Great site! They also offer this tidbit: "Pentax Q will feature a APS-C sensor." </sarcasm>

11-28-2013, 10:18 PM	#248
thibs Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Belgium Photos: Albums Posts: 7,001	Originally posted by lytrytyr <sarcasm> Great site! They also offer this tidbit: "Pentax Q will feature a APS-C sensor." </sarcasm> Hehe indeed but then the GR got that one. The rumour was right (compact with APS-C sensor). Name was wrong. That's the nature of rumours...

11-30-2013, 12:05 PM - 1 Like	#249
aurele Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Paris, France Photos: Albums Posts: 3,217	i really love how rumors creates other rumors that are post elsewhere and that come back later and hence generates other rumors. The rumored pentax FF is the perpetual machine

11-30-2013, 12:30 PM	#250
jatrax Site Supporter Join Date: May 2010 Location: Washington Cascades Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 12,991	Originally posted by aurele The rumored pentax FF is the perpetual machine If Ricoh could harness the rumor mill they could bring out FF camera for almost nothing and make money on the rumors

11-30-2013, 03:15 PM	#252
normhead Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Near Algonquin Park Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 40,451	Sounds like exactly the rumbling that was happening, just before the K-3 was released. All who nay-say are not necessarily correct, in fact there's a few posting in this thread I'm surprised are back up and running again after being stomped into the ground when the K-3 came out for release right on time with the rumour mill. I guess like baseball pitchers, it's good to have a short memory after giving up a home run. As I said right before the K-3 was released, it's a talent to know which rumours are real and which aren't. Personally I bought into the K-3 2 weeks before it was announced, just based on the number of semi-reliable and plausible sounding rumours, there are some nay sayers here who don't have nearly as good a track record.

11-30-2013, 03:19 PM	#253
Rondec Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Gladys, Virginia Photos: Gallery Posts: 27,663	I don't know. I hadn't bought full frame stock up till now, but I do think Ricoh is targeting next year for such a release. Can't say when in the year, but I suppose when Ricoh thinks its ready. No real rush from my standpoint. K3 is a nice camera to hold me over till something more comes along.

11-30-2013, 03:59 PM	#254
JimmyDranox Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Ploiesti, Romania Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 1,632	From a commercial perspective, it would be a mistake as a new flagship camera will be launched earlier than six months after launching another flagship camera. And more, a year would be the optimal time. But Pentax is in a special position because Canon, Nikon and Sony already has FF cameras, and if they wants to become a big player on the market, and K-3 seems to say that, Ricoh have to release a FF as soon as possible. Moreover, rumors are one way to increase market interest, and Ricoh has shown us that knows how to handle these rumors before the launch of K-3. So, as I think these rumors are controlled and released intentionally.

11-30-2013, 04:04 PM	#255
normhead Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Near Algonquin Park Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 40,451	That wouldn't surprise me at all. If you think o fate two extremes, Steve Jobs dropping hardware manufacturers for upstaging his release, and Windows constantly promising hardware and software they never produced and never had any intention of producing, just to keep people waiting on the imaginary Windows product instead of just buying from a competitor that already had what they wanted, I think Ricoh has found a happy medium. They let you know what they want you to know, when they want you to know it. But do it in a way they can never be accused of creating vapourware, just to keep epode from buying competitors product.