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12-03-2013, 04:34 AM   #286
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Camera companies don't just cater to grump old men who can't believe that the young codgers don't learn the basics of photography like using a light meter and manual focusing. I just wish that Nikon would have disabled the auto focus on the Df for a truly immersive, retro experience and see how well it sold.

Honestly, if I manual focus, it is using the back LCD as a guide and not the viewfinder. Particularly with focus peaking being present there, it is just easier and more accurate than using the viewfinder. But auto focus is here to stay, even if there are some forumites who clamor for a digital K1000.

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Yep, plus AF is there to help Zeiss-Voigtlander, Leica and Samyang selling their glasses to reluctant AF/resisting MF users !
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QuoteOriginally posted by NotaxPen Quote
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What an idiotic thing to say!

Speaking as someone whose lens collection is about 95% MF, I can't disagree with you more. Do you enjoy all those great sports photos you see in magazines and on the web? How about those incredible, action-packed nature photos you see in National Geographic? While they are technically possible without autofocus, I guarantee if you took AF away from the pros, then you wouldn't see 1/10th of the great shots you see out there today. But hey, despite the lifetime these pros have put into honing their craft, they are LAZY because they use AF!


AF, like any other feature, is a tool. And that tool, in the right hands and in the proper application, is quite valuable. Do you need AF to shoot landscapes or still lifes? Of course not. But in the end, isn't it the results that matter?

Your response smacks of some misplaced elitism that assumes that the "purity" of the gear that is used matters more than the art that is produced. A recent study suggests that Jan Vermeer may have used a camera obscura or similar apparatus when composing his paintings.

Does that make this any less of a masterpiece?


Your "poor eyesight" jab is also in poor taste. One of the best photographers I've ever met is legally blind. Yet he knows how to produce amazing images because he has an amazing talent at visualizing a scene, and he knows how to get the maximum out of the tools at his disposal.

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12-03-2013, 08:46 AM   #289
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QuoteOriginally posted by Cannikin Quote
Do you even understand what an "EV" is? Or how a logarithmic scale works? Do you also think a magnitude 9 earthquake is only 12.5% bigger than a magnitude 8?
No, why don't you explain it to me?
Actually my point is that 93% of what you can do with an FF camera you can do with an APS-c. And 7% of what you can do on an APS-c camera, you can't do on an FF. My point is also, for 93% of the available ƒ-stops for FF, there is an equivalent ƒ-stop in APS-c. The "FF advantage" assumes that you are pushing your APS-c camera to it's limits. For most of us, if we alter our exposure one stop to achieve an equivalent image it's not a problem, because we aren't shooting at the limits of our lenses anyway. I tend to shoot as close to 5.6 as possible. But shooting ƒ4 or ƒ8, I don't really care. Someone needs to keep the propaganda in perspective. A very small number of people with very unique shooting needs, and part of a school of thought that isn't universally accepted in photography for some reason have locked onto this FF is way better than APS_c thing and then promote FF as if it affects every image. That's just wrong. Technically it affects every image, but in terms of can you get the image you want with the equipment you have? Yes you can, APS-c or FF. ANd the difference between APS-c and FF isn't what people make it out to be. It get's boring. You are limited in APS-c only in certain situations, like narrow depth of field. YOu are limited by FF in certain situations, magnification of cropped images and macro. There are trade offs either way. GOing on and on about FF as if there are no trade offs is only presenting one side of the story, propaganda, outright lying… take your pick, I don't care. Believe what you want, but don't think if you put it out in a public forum people aren't going to try and provide a more balanced perspective….

Tell people what they get from FF, tell them what they have to give up to get it, no one has a problem with that. But this endless parade of biased information presented in ways that imply differences that don't exist in the real world, and ignoring differences that do exist in the real world… it's getting old.


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I am a grumpy old man. Most of the time I shoot subjects that aren't moving.

I still own more manual focus lenses than I do autofocus lenses and I still prefer to hold the camera to my cheek and forehead for stability than to hold it in my palm looking down at the LCD (whether tilted or fixed horizontal) with my elbows braced on my hip bones. To make best use of my exisiting equipment I would like a larger, brighter viewfinder. My manual focus lenses were quite fast enough for film cameras and they're quite fast enough for digital cameras.

But my eyes are also old and grumpy, so I'm a realist. For most of my photography it is just easier and more enjoyable to take advantage of these modern technologies. Sometimes it is even just possible with technology. Autofocus is a dream for most of the grumpy old men I know who take photographs for pleasure or some commercial or volunteer documentary assignment.

When we want to get together and act like grumpy old snobby snobs and chaw and spit and scratch and make foul bodily noises while we photograph for fun we bring out our film cameras for the pure cussedness of it. In that group I am in fact a chump since I never shoot anything larger than 35mm.

PLUS. Sekonics Rule. Needles Drool. We leave the batteries out of our cameras too, just to make it harder.

And we like it that way.

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I really like manual focus, on 8x10 view cameras, trying to discern your focus point with an MF lens on APS-c or FF camera, or even MF, not so much fun. You pretty much have to be a masochist, or at best some one who hasn't realized what they like to do is much more effectively done on a larger format. Saying you don't like shooting MF, is basically saying you don't like shooting anything that moves. Getting images of Chickadees MF is an exercise in frustration. With AF it's easily doable. So I'm guessing if you don't like AF , what you're saying is "I don't give a crap if I never take another picture of a chickadee in my whole life." Well fine, next time I feed the chickadees, I'm telling on you. They need to know who their friends are.

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QuoteOriginally posted by monochrome Quote
PLUS. Sekonics Rule. VF meters Drool.
[ELITISTO-CYNICAL]

Sir, I beg to differ. For a meter to rule, it needs to be a spotmeter.

Anything else is junk.
[/ELITISTO-CYNICAL]


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Sir, I beg to differ. For a meter to rule, it needs to be a spotmeter.
I will concede the point to the Elitist, but remind I am a grumpy.

Pentax 1° Spotmeter V rules. Sekonic L-398 (any version) serves. Spotmatic - kept the name, but it wasn't. Drools.



Ducking Now.

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I use AF more than MF with my DA lenses. I use MF exclusively with my M lenses and Takumars. I didn't even own a camera with a light meter in it until 1978.

I am a grumpy old man - just ask my wife, she will confirm that enthusiastically. AF is a tool. AE is a tool. A light meter is a tool. A brain is a tool. Use whichever you prefer. No matter for me.

BUT there is absolutely no reason to call down anyone who prefers A over B.

I prefer Pentax. Sherry prefers Canon. We will teach a course together in the spring. We think we can be more helpful to our students by covering different camera brands. I find Canon confusing. Sherry doesn't get Nikon/Pentax handling. We have different shooting methods and preferences. We think that together we can help more people get hooked on photography with something other than the smart phone. Neither of us feels the other's choice of equipment and shooting methods is dumb. It is just different.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Canada_Rockies Quote
I use AF more than MF with my DA lenses. I use MF exclusively with my M lenses and Takumars. I didn't even own a camera with a light meter in it until 1978.

I am a grumpy old man - just ask my wife, she will confirm that enthusiastically. AF is a tool. AE is a tool. A light meter is a tool. A brain is a tool. Use whichever you prefer. No matter for me.

BUT there is absolutely no reason to call down anyone who prefers A over B.

I prefer Pentax. Sherry prefers Canon. We will teach a course together in the spring. We think we can be more helpful to our students by covering different camera brands. I find Canon confusing. Sherry doesn't get Nikon/Pentax handling. We have different shooting methods and preferences. We think that together we can help more people get hooked on photography with something other than the smart phone. Neither of us feels the other's choice of equipment and shooting methods is dumb. It is just different.
Well said!
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QuoteOriginally posted by monochrome Quote
I will concede the point to the Elitist, but remind I am a grumpy.

Pentax 1° Spotmeter V rules. Sekonic L-398 (any version) serves. Spotmatic - kept the name, but it wasn't. Drools.



Ducking Now.


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It's not like the AF system on most DSLRs guarantees perfect results anyhow. Especially with DSLRs like the K-5 classic, with focus points as large as dinner plates.

Truly lazy folks would just use a small sensor point-and-shoot. Or a Nikon.
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Full frame, what can't you do? Better colors, better dynamic range, lighter lenses, cheaper lenses, sharper pictures, bigger viewfinder, better for wildlife. Let me count the ways.
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I apologize for being insensitive and vulgar.
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QuoteOriginally posted by ElJamoquio Quote
Full frame, what can't you do? Better colors, better dynamic range, lighter lenses, cheaper lenses, sharper pictures, bigger viewfinder, better for wildlife. Let me count the ways.
Your list is as debatable as the whole issue
You can only fuel the fire making such a list (in any side of the issue)
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