[Parallax]

I think the point is that once you include a lens, neither camera is pocketable --

Not necessarily. A K- whatever with a 40mm Ltd mounted will fit anywhere that it will fit with no lens.

[Kunzite]

The Sony didn't had a fast zoom, either.

[Clavius]

Only one tiny problem with this comparison: The Sony is FULL FRAME!

Yes FF, and it's even a smaller kit then the oh-so compact Pentax DSLR with compact ltd lens: Compact Camera Meter

[Kunzite]

Put a hood on that 20mm f/2.8, please; the Limited has one

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[ElJamoquio]

The Sony didn't had a fast zoom, either.

Sorry, my mistake. Thought that was a zoom.

Don't care though. You can put a pancake on either one, and the Sony is clearly smaller.

If you find a pancake 31mm f/1.1 for the K-3 let me know.

[Kunzite]

Should I remind you of the original claim, which was that one camera fits into a jacket while the other needs a large bag? Or it's pointless to do it?

[Parallax]

Sorry, my mistake. Thought that was a zoom.

Don't care though. You can put a pancake on either one, and the Sony is clearly smaller.

If you find a pancake 31mm f/1.1 for the K-3 let me know.

As long as you let us all know when you find one for the Sony.

[gerafotografija]

If the ideal is a pocket sized camera with DSLR image quality, why isn't everyone celebrating the design marvel that is the GR? It pushes the laws of physics about as far as possible, i think.

To hand-hold a camera with 24+ high quality MP with a sharp stack of glass in front, I want it to have a heavy duty body and built in image stabilization. Something pretty much exactly like the K-3, which I don't own, but am now seriously considering as a step up from my Olympus m4/3 kit.

[monochrome]

If the ideal is a pocket sized camera with DSLR image quality, why isn't everyone celebrating the design marvel that is the GR? It pushes the laws of physics about as far as possible, i think.

Here you go!!

Now that's pocketable!

[ElJamoquio]

Should I remind you of the original claim, which was that one camera fits into a jacket while the other needs a large bag? Or it's pointless to do it?

It's pretty pointless, because I never made that claim. I've also said I don't really care that the Sony is smaller. A few years back, smaller was critical to me - everything had to fit in a pannier.


Nevertheless the Sony is smaller and markedly so.

[ElJamoquio]

As long as you let us all know when you find one for the Sony.

Already done for me!

[jsherman999]

That's the problem for me (and many) with a Pentax FF. If the FF comes out at say $3k, I'm going to want the 31 and 77, and that's going to be in total, a $6k proposition.

Start with a $200 FA 50 f/1.7. You will probably be blown away and it will keep you off the FA Limited hard stuff for at east another year

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[normhead]

Start with a $200 FA 50 f/1.7. You will probably be blown away and it will keep you off the FA Limited hard stuff for at east another year

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I already have the FA 50 1.7, Tamron 90 , SIgma 70 and DA 35, so it's not like I'd be bereft of shooting options if I bought nothing. But since I'd see the ff as a landscape system, not having the 31 just wouldn't make any sense. Just looking at images on the forum there are a host of gorgeous 31 Ltd landscapes, DA 35, not so much. (One of my reasons for not completely trusting photozone/ DxO type technical analysis.) And the Rokinon 24 tilt shift just entered the Picture as well.

[jsherman999]

I already have the FA 50 1.7, Tamron 90 , SIgma 70 and DA 35, so it's not like I'd be bereft of shooting options if I bought nothing. But since I'd see the ff as a landscape system, not having the 31 just wouldn't make any sense. Just looking at images on the forum there area host of gorgeous 31 Ltd landscapes, DA 35, not so much. (One of my reasons for not completely trusting photozone/ DxO type technical analysis.) And the Rokinon 24 tilt shift just entered the Picture as well.

Nice starting point! But I don't think the DA 35 is FF.

You may want to consider this baby (link to review) :




14) Summary
Having used Samyang lenses before (the Samyang 24mm f/1.4 and the Samyang 85mm f/1.4), I knew that the 35mm f/1.4 version would not disappoint. But while testing the expensive 35mm f/1.4 lenses, I still thought that it would show worse performance than all of its competitors. I was rather surprised to see the lens outperform the exotic Zeiss Distagon T* 35mm f/1.4 lens in my lab and perform so close to the Nikon 35mm f/1.4G. In fact, I had to re-test the Zeiss and the Nikon lenses over 5 times to make sure that I was not miscalculating anything or missing focus. In all cases, the lenses performed about the same, with the Samyang still rocking the game at smaller apertures. This lens surely shows a lot of value when compared to the expensive brands, with its under $500 MSRP price (compare that to the $1850 price of the Zeiss). For those that shoot landscapes and other types of photography where autofocus is not needed, the Samyang 35mm f/1.4 seems to be a superb choice for sure."

[ChristianRock]

Nice starting point! But I don't think the DA 35 is FF.

It does cover the FF circle, it's pretty much established by now... same for the da 50 1.8.

https://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/10-pentax-slr-lens-discussion/119054-da-3...ny-photos.html