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11-06-2013, 04:38 PM   #526
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QuoteOriginally posted by D1N0 Quote
Oh but they will sell, because iq will be on par with the primes, which can't be said for the 18-55 wr.
Then compare it to the Tamron 17-50/2.8. Used at 2.8-4.0 from 20 to 40mm it will probably be tack sharp as well, and a whole lot cheaper!

And then you can go to f/2.8 throughout the zoom range.
And the zoom range is bigger.
And it's a hell of a lot cheaper.

I know that is a bit bigger and heavier. Still, it just doesn't add up. At least to me. I don't know what Pentax is doing, but it's something I'm having a really hard time relating to.

Anyway... maybe I should be out shooting instead of hanging around forums watching releases of products that I just don't get.

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QuoteOriginally posted by starbase218 Quote
Then compare it to the Tamron 17-50/2.8. Used at 2.8-4.0 from 20 to 40mm it will probably be tack sharp as well, and a whole lot cheaper!

And then you can go to f/2.8 throughout the zoom range.
And the zoom range is bigger.
And it's a hell of a lot cheaper.

I know that is a bit bigger and heavier. Still, it just doesn't add up. At least to me. I don't know what Pentax is doing, but it's something I'm having a really hard time relating to.

Anyway... maybe I should be out shooting instead of hanging around forums watching releases of products that I just don't get.
sure but the DA* 16-50 isn't better than the tamron 17-50 as well, but pentax still sells it.
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and the m43 as a whole has four (three zooms and one prime).
4 (40-150/2.8 from Olympus coming) + 1, plus the whole bunch of 43 optics w/ MMF-3 dust- and splash-proof lens mount adapter
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sure but the DA* 16-50 isn't better than the tamron 17-50 as well, but pentax still sells it.
True, but at least that's as fast, and it has 1mm extra wide-angle.

Plus, you know where the money went: you pick it up and it's heavy, because there is a lot of glass inside. So there is some sense of justification to the price, if only subconsciously.

Also, it helps that the Canikon equivalents aren't any cheaper. So it sort of is the norm. These f/2.8 standard zooms are also much more versatile than this 20-40mm lens. So yes, the Tamron is actually a really good buy, but although the Pentax is more expensive, it still gives you a very versatile lens. The value-for-money is still ok.

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..apparently it has 55mm filter
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Image quality will be better than the 18-55 WR. But 1000 USD... for the build and image quality???
I know, right? Who buys a lens for image quality?
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Then compare it to the Tamron 17-50/2.8. Used at 2.8-4.0 from 20 to 40mm it will probably be tack sharp as well, and a whole lot cheaper!

And then you can go to f/2.8 throughout the zoom range.
And the zoom range is bigger.
And it's a hell of a lot cheaper.

I know that is a bit bigger and heavier. Still, it just doesn't add up. At least to me. I don't know what Pentax is doing, but it's something I'm having a really hard time relating to.

Anyway... maybe I should be out shooting instead of hanging around forums watching releases of products that I just don't get.
I dunno what Ricoh are smoking, maybe they're watching too much "breaking bad" on Netflix

Honestly, I don't see the point the range is odd for APS-C, it's a small range..worse it's not even constant f2.8
Buy a Tamron 17-50mm f2.8, pocket the change and you can pay for most of a brand new K5II! Or buy another lens or 2

849 is a crazy crazy price for a zoom like that. What is it gold plated?
This is why I don't think Ricoh are very smart, nobody really wants this lens so why bother making it?
I'm sure forum members can think of 3/4 much more useful lenses than this.
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I can't believe anyone seriously thought it would be any cheaper.
If I didn't already have the 21, 31 and 43 (and the 16-50 if I need a WR zoom) I would be tempted. The filter size is a bit of a downer though - very un-limited size.

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I'm just as surprised by the price - I knew it would be more expensive, but you could just about buy two sigma 18-35mm f/1.8's for the cost of one of these lenses.
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How dare anyone compare a Tamron to a Pentax Limited! It is like comparing a pair of rubber soled and imatation leather shoes bought in a Walmart weekend offer to a pair of bespoke Budapester shoes. It is apples and oranges. Pentax do not cater to my camera is big, my lens is big, i'm a serious photographer... Pentax have filled out a sub 135 format system that caters to the more discrete photographer, who does not need to announce their presence, who revels in the handling and ergonomics of a beautifully built, capable and quiet but also class leading K-3. To speak bluntly my friends, if you want brash, big, noisy, a statement in other words... F% off to the competition Simple really.
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I'm just as surprised by the price - I knew it would be more expensive, but you could just about buy two sigma 18-35mm f/1.8's for the cost of one of these lenses.
Two? Where are you finding the 18-35 for $500, because I will buy it right now.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Sandy Hancock Quote
I can't believe anyone seriously thought it would be any cheaper.
If I didn't already have the 21, 31 and 43 (and the 16-50 if I need a WR zoom) I would be tempted. The filter size is a bit of a downer though - very un-limited size.
Nobody expected it to be "cheap" but 850/$1000 is really pushing things a tad.
I saw it and thought maybe 599 tops, couldn't actually believe the RRP is over 800

2 issues
How many people don't have this range covered? (very few I would think in either zooms or combination of primes) - ie there is little demand for such a lens
If it's such a great focal range imagine Canon releasing a 20-40mm f2.8-f4 L, it would get laughed off the market and forums FF or APS-C.

I'm trying to find the posts from Pentax users saying "please Pentax we need a 20-40mm f2.8-f4 limited zoom" I've yet to find one, but can find plenty of other sensible lens requests
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QuoteOriginally posted by robbiec Quote
How dare anyone compare a Tamron to a Pentax Limited! It is like comparing a pair of rubber soled and imatation leather shoes bought in a Walmart weekend offer to a pair of bespoke Budapester shoes. It is apples and oranges. Pentax do not cater to my camera is big, my lens is big, i'm a serious photographer... Pentax have filled out a sub 135 format system that caters to the more discrete photographer, who does not need to announce their presence, who revels in the handling and ergonomics of a beautifully built, capable and quiet but also class leading K-3. To speak bluntly my friends, if you want brash, big, noisy, a statement in other words... F% off to the competition Simple really.
It's all about the optics dude!
17-50mm outperforms the Pentax 16-50mm
90mm macro is well respected by all
70-200mm f2.8 is actually quite a good lens (it's not perfect but decent), albeit screw driven..try buying a decent 70-200mm f2.8 for under 600

Sure I grant you Tamron build is well it's "ok" for what is it and the price reflects that. Limited lenses have superb build, but how rough do you treat your gear?
I suspect quite a lot of Pentax users buy Tamron lenses, because they can actually afford them!

And most (not all of them granted) have nothing to be ashamed of optics wise either.
I mean we do take photos, so the lenses do matter..good optics and fair prices are a win win for the buyer
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The 15mm is not as good as the Sigm 8-16,
Flare and sunstars are much better on the 15 IME. If I had to pick one it'd be the 15 without hesitation, for me.
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I dunno, I'm surprised it's that cheap, I would've said $1200. Pentax pricing is out of control.

Will it be 'better' than the sometimes $1600 DA* 16-50? I dunno, but I'd-sure-as-shootin' prefer the 20-40. Maybe.

The proof is in the pudding... there's almost nothing, specification wise, between the Zeiss 85mm F/1.4 and the Rokinon 85mm F/1.4. And yet the price of the Rokinon is one-fifth the price of the Zeiss. Why?

There's many similar examples in the lens world...
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