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01-17-2014, 05:45 AM   #1171
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QuoteOriginally posted by dankoBanana Quote
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last picture in my gallery was taken in freezing conditions where the air (and my hands) were full of chalk (magnesium powder). This of course got on the camera, but not IN, because of the seals

Saw it (tapatalk didn't like the funny characters). Nice shot btw. Can't see why any ordinary lens can't do that though. My $300 Sigma had to be wiped every minute in this fog:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/dtmateojr/7179381640/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/dtmateojr/7191853440/

01-17-2014, 05:45 AM   #1172
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fact is, when I use my DA* 16-50, I dont have to worry about dust particles entering the zoom. Thats one of the reasons I'm still not sure will I be buying the Sigma 18-35
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QuoteOriginally posted by dtmateojr Quote
Saw it (tapatalk didn't like the funny characters). Nice shot btw. Can't see why any ordinary lens can't do that though. My $300 Sigma had to be wiped every minute in this fog:

Misty Moogerah I | Flickr - Photo Sharing!
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again, its not about the fog here, its about climbing chalk thats in the air and on my hands. I cant remove it, unless I wash my hands everytime I grab a camera, and still the wash does not get rid of the particles in the air. This is especially true in small climbing gyms where you feel like you're breathing in magnesium all the time Its not bad for the lungs, but its not good inside of lenses
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There are numerous times when WR is nice to have and you don't need anything more than a lens cap to keep the optics clean. Some people don't mind screwing around with plastic bags and constantly putting into and taking it out of a backpack. Others prefer WR. The question for each is whether or not the WR is worth additional cost (other differences exist). There are definitely times when I would only use my WR kit lens and there are other times when things are getting a little wet and I wish I had WR on my better lenses. Before this lens was released there was a larger high end (and even more expensive) option, a kit lens and an imo an upgraded expanded range kit lens. Nothing against the 18-135 but it's larger, it's slower and it's unlikely to be better than the 20-40 ltd. It would be interesting to see some landscape comparison shots of these two lenses.

I haven't been completely wowed by this lens since the complaints are legitimate but it's still very high on my list. I think like several recent Pentax releases this was priced a little high on release. There's a good chance that the comments would be completely different if it was in the $700-800 range but ALL of the DA HD ltds (minus the DA40) are priced in that range after the HD coating update. Maybe I have missed any negativity on this recent price hike but moving most of the lenses out of the $500 range to the $700 range could have long lasting effects on Pentax.

01-18-2014, 04:50 AM   #1175
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QuoteOriginally posted by Corto-PA Quote
FanBoy = Brand Fanatic.

You care more about the Pentax brand than you care about Photography.

- and there's nothing wrong with that.

But it is a bit boring.
Happy? Sleep better now?
Can we go back to a discussion without personnal attacks?

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01-18-2014, 06:28 AM   #1176
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QuoteOriginally posted by abacus07 Quote
I haven't been completely wowed by this lens since the complaints are legitimate but it's still very high on my list.
I suspect that the first batch released were basically still "beta versions".

QuoteOriginally posted by abacus07 Quote
I think like several recent Pentax releases this was priced a little high on release. . . . Maybe I have missed any negativity on this recent price hike but moving most of the lenses out of the $500 range to the $700 range could have long lasting effects on Pentax.
Here are two telling quotes:

"Ricoh Imaging . . . Presents Dealers With Profitable Partnerships"

and

"innovative products with healthy margins"

from the press release

Ricoh Imaging Showcases Enticing Lineup at 2014 International CES, Presents Dealers With Profitable Partnerships

that was linked recently in a parallel thread here:

https://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/16-pentax-news-rumors/244533-k5ii-discont...ml#post2652189
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QuoteOriginally posted by lytrytyr Quote
I suspect that the first batch released were basically still "beta versions".



Here are two telling quotes:

"Ricoh Imaging . . . Presents Dealers With Profitable Partnerships"

and

"innovative products with healthy margins"

from the press release

Ricoh Imaging Showcases Enticing Lineup at 2014 International CES, Presents Dealers With Profitable Partnerships

that was linked recently in a parallel thread here:

https://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/16-pentax-news-rumors/244533-k5ii-discont...ml#post2652189

I don't think that means anything special. Ricoh is a very well-run outfit and they know how to talk the right language and do things the right way with their resellers. It also comes after a very rocky period of relations between Pentax and the retail trade so they have to offer a solid basis for doing business. At any rate, I don't think it means "We'll help you to lose money and rip off your customers at the same time". I may be quite wrong but I think the old FA 20-35mm, which the new 20-40mm replaces, cost even more in Japan before it went out of stock there. it might be that this new lens is a bit of a "Japan special" and Ricoh might argue that in offering the DA replacement for less they are doing right by their end-users. Who knows, but there is a case for it. Western customers have always had the other zooms like the 16-50mm.

Personally what I'd really love is a fully weather-sealed 12-28mm f4 constant with excellent edge-to-edge performance, for landscapes. That would cover a huge amount from inside buildings to many kinds of landscape. It needn't be that small; I'd trade size for performance. Tokina already have their own version of this; I wonder if it is a shared design with Pentax or even originated with Pentax? In which case bring it on.

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A really nice review.

"It might become a legendary Pentax lens"

PENTAX DA 20-40mm F2.8-4 ED Limited DC WR review. | steevemarcoux2

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QuoteOriginally posted by Iberia Quote
The Leica sells rangefinders, Nikon sells SLRs and Olympus has taken "that" gap with an excellent mirrorless body — Olympus OM-D E-M1 — and a comprehensive set of high quality primes…
Good as it might be, I don't think the OM-D fills a construction quality / market segment target / brand identity gap between Nikon and Leica. Olympus never made an FA43/1.9 Limited-R, either.

Pentax could possibly go here and still be within the historical tradition. I doubt it will happen, but they could. Isn't that part of the point of the 20~40?

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QuoteOriginally posted by mecrox Quote
I may be quite wrong but I think the old FA 20-35mm, which the new 20-40mm replaces, cost even more in Japan before it went out of stock there.
IIRC, it was being offered for around JPY 85000,
so less that even the cheapest DA 20-40 offers so far (USD 900).
That lens is JPY 99800 on the Japanese Ricoh website.
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QuoteOriginally posted by monochrome Quote
Good as it might be, I don't think the OM-D fills a construction quality / market segment target / brand identity gap between Nikon and Leica. Olympus never made an FA43/1.9 Limited-R, either
You might not have learned that Olympus has a few small, fast lenses w/ metal housing:

17mm f1,8 (34mm FOV in FF)
Olympus - M.ZUIKO DIGITAL 17mm 1:1.8 - OM-D & Pen Lenses

12mm f2,0 (24mm FOV in FF)
Olympus - M.ZUIKO DIGITAL ED 12mm 1:2.0 - OM-D & Pen Lenses

75mm f1,8 (150mm FOV in FF)
Olympus - M.ZUIKO DIGITAL ED 75mm 1:1.8 - OM-D & Pen Lenses

12-40mm f2,8 WR (28-80mm FOV in FF)
Olympus - M.ZUIKO DIGITAL ED 12-40mm 1:2.8 - OM-D & Pen Lenses

These lenses were designed for digital, boast fast & silent AF and unlike the FA 43mm (64,5mm FOV in FF) provide "usefull" focal lengths...

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P.S.: I have played with a friend's OM-D E-M1 + 12-40mm f2.8 and, as far as quality is concerned, both build and handling are first rate.

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QuoteOriginally posted by Iberia Quote
These lenses were designed for digital, boast fast & silent AF and unlike the FA 43mm (64,5mm FOV in FF) provide "usefull" focal lengths...
Olympus makes excellent cameras and optics. Always has. My first digital camera was an E-20n. My brother's first camera was an OM-1. But - there's more to this than a metal barrel, as you would know if you really knew the Limited line.

And, Uhmmm, the FA43 FOV in FF is . . . . 43. As you know, its usefulness is that the diagonal of 36x24 is 43 = the perfect image circle.

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QuoteOriginally posted by Iberia Quote
P.S.: I have played with a friend's OM-D E-M1 + 12-40mm f2.8 and, as far as quality is concerned, both build and handling are first rate.
I have tried all latest Olympus cameras, and their flagship lenses starting from 12mm onwards.
And I still think the finish, the material, feel and craftsmanship of Pentax gear laves them all wanting (including Fujifilm too).
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All m4/3 lenses have huge distortion in RAW.
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