The DA limited is 20-40? and WR?!

lytrytyr · 10-31-2013, 10:52 AM

"The focus area that is not seen much, this lens, it is going to be a lens quite unique."

No, rather, as I've suspected ever since it appeared on the roadmap,
a reincarnation of the FA 20-35/4.

ElJamoquio · 10-31-2013, 10:58 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by lytrytyr

"that you are in drip-proof structure seems to be a mistake"

So not yet clear if it really will be WR.

Being in a drip proof structure is never a mistake.

Andi Lo · 10-31-2013, 11:00 AM

Originally posted by lytrytyr

"The focus area that is not seen much, this lens, it is going to be a lens quite unique."

No, rather, as I've suspected ever since it appeared on the roadmap,
a reincarnation of the FA 20-35/4.

Awesommmeee, DA 20-40mm WR Ltd! The first Ltd zoom! Too bad it's not 16mm, but I'm not complaining. This fills a hole in the lineup of an upgraded wide kitlens that's not DA 16-50. I dont mind the variable aperture. Lets see how small pentax can make it

This + DFA 100 would be a great, do it all kit.

normhead · 10-31-2013, 11:07 AM

My line up is Sigma 8-16, DA 18-135 , which is really strong from 20-40, 21 ltd and DA 35.2.4 and 40 xs. If you hand me that lens and tell me it's free, but I have to use it, I'll probably hand it back and say "thanks but no". Sigma releasing the 18-35 1.8 is emphasizing that what I don't have in that range is sub ƒ2., and this does not address that. At some point someone is going to sell me a lens. It's not looking like it's going to be that lens.

lytrytyr · 10-31-2013, 11:17 AM

Originally posted by normhead

Sigma releasing the 18-35 1.8 is emphasizing that what I don't have in that range is sub ƒ2., and this does not address that.

The DA Limited lenses were never intended to be fast.
Compactness and high IQ are the design priorities.
The FA 20-35 is no longer than the DA 18-55 kit lenses,
so if this new zoom at that size offers high enough IQ
(resolution, rendering, flare resistance),
I'll certainly be interested in it.

Andi Lo · 10-31-2013, 11:24 AM

Originally posted by lytrytyr

The DA Limited lenses were never intended to be fast.
Compactness and high IQ are the design priorities.
The FA 20-35 is no longer than the DA 18-55 kit lenses,
so if this new zoom at that size offers high enough IQ
(resolution, rendering, flare resistance),
I'll certainly be interested in it.

+1

I'm interested in how small they can make it. If it's FA 50 size, I'll be real happy.

If it extends I really hope it extends towards 40mm. The 20mm will be much more useful for street.

Hoping that like DA 15 and its mates, it will be another lens that Pentax and only pentax has.

lytrytyr · 10-31-2013, 11:26 AM

Originally posted by normhead

DA 18-135 , which is really strong from 20-40

Realistically, if the new Limited zoom at 24/3.5
matches or beats the DA 18 - 135 at 24/5.6,
that will be a worthwhile improvement IMHO.

JinDesu · 10-31-2013, 11:27 AM

Originally posted by lytrytyr

Realistically, if the new Limited zoom at 24/3.5
matches or beats the DA 18 - 135 at 24/5.6,
that will be a worthwhile improvement IMHO.

Why the 18-135 at 24/5.6? It's already that small at 24mm?

lytrytyr · 10-31-2013, 11:31 AM

Originally posted by JinDesu

Why the 18-135 at 24/5.6? It's already that small at 24mm?

No, but that seems to be where it gives acceptable sharpness across the frame:

Pentax SMC-DA 18-135mm f/3.5-5.6 ED AL [IF] WR - Review / Lens Test - Analysis

**Rondec** · 10-31-2013, 11:56 AM

I don't know. It was bound to have a limited range. But 20mm to 40mm feels really limited -- I would have preferred 15/16 to 40. Easier for me to stick the DA 40 in my pocket and DA 15 on my camera (or vice versa). Maybe image quality will be awesome, but hard to believe that it will be that much better than current primes (or smaller for that matter).

Andi Lo · 10-31-2013, 12:08 PM

Originally posted by Rondec

I don't know. It was bound to have a limited range. But 20mm to 40mm feels really limited -- I would have preferred 15/16 to 40. Easier for me to stick the DA 40 in my pocket and DA 15 on my camera (or vice versa). Maybe image quality will be awesome, but hard to believe that it will be that much better than current primes (or smaller for that matter).

You already have that lens you described though, it's called 18-55 WR

Can't fight physics I think, 18-55 is as small as it's going to be already. I think this lens is not meant to be DA 15 replacement, but as a single lens solution for people that usually carry DA 21 and DA 40

**Rondec** · 10-31-2013, 12:15 PM

Originally posted by Andi Lo

You already have that lens you described though, it's called 18-55 WR

Can't fight physics I think, 18-55 is as small as it's going to be already.

Well, the 18-55 is not f2.8 to f4 and it isn't usable wide open (my experience is that it needs to be shot f5.6 to f8 for good sharpness).

I would assume this lens will be good wide open and will be small and flare resistant. But I am not particularly interested.

jimr-pdx · 10-31-2013, 12:20 PM

A 20-60mm would have been my choice (oh I'll bite: especially an FF version as the new 24-70) and I had been thinking WR and f/3.5-4.5 for size. DC would be very nice! So many compromises to go wider than 20mm and keep it small as a zoom. Ah well, guess I should have gone to that meeting..

Fl_Gulfer · 10-31-2013, 12:31 PM - **1 Like**

Not sure why it couldn't be 2.8 throughout the range?

kcmadr · 10-31-2013, 12:34 PM - **1 Like**

What does this lens offer over the DA* 16-50mm f2.8?

10-31-2013, 12:08 PM	#26
Andi Lo Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Halifax, Nova Scotia Posts: 2,924	Originally posted by Rondec I don't know. It was bound to have a limited range. But 20mm to 40mm feels really limited -- I would have preferred 15/16 to 40. Easier for me to stick the DA 40 in my pocket and DA 15 on my camera (or vice versa). Maybe image quality will be awesome, but hard to believe that it will be that much better than current primes (or smaller for that matter). You already have that lens you described though, it's called 18-55 WR Can't fight physics I think, 18-55 is as small as it's going to be already. I think this lens is not meant to be DA 15 replacement, but as a single lens solution for people that usually carry DA 21 and DA 40 Last edited by Andi Lo; 10-31-2013 at 12:36 PM.

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10-31-2013, 10:52 AM	#16
lytrytyr Pentaxian Join Date: Nov 2011 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 4,310	"The focus area that is not seen much, this lens, it is going to be a lens quite unique." No, rather, as I've suspected ever since it appeared on the roadmap, a reincarnation of the FA 20-35/4.

10-31-2013, 10:58 AM - 1 Like	#17
ElJamoquio Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 4,873	Originally posted by lytrytyr "that you are in drip-proof structure seems to be a mistake" So not yet clear if it really will be WR. Being in a drip proof structure is never a mistake.

10-31-2013, 11:00 AM	#18
Andi Lo Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Halifax, Nova Scotia Posts: 2,924	Originally posted by lytrytyr "The focus area that is not seen much, this lens, it is going to be a lens quite unique." No, rather, as I've suspected ever since it appeared on the roadmap, a reincarnation of the FA 20-35/4. Awesommmeee, DA 20-40mm WR Ltd! The first Ltd zoom! Too bad it's not 16mm, but I'm not complaining. This fills a hole in the lineup of an upgraded wide kitlens that's not DA 16-50. I dont mind the variable aperture. Lets see how small pentax can make it This + DFA 100 would be a great, do it all kit.

10-31-2013, 11:07 AM	#19
normhead Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Near Algonquin Park Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 40,450	My line up is Sigma 8-16, DA 18-135 , which is really strong from 20-40, 21 ltd and DA 35.2.4 and 40 xs. If you hand me that lens and tell me it's free, but I have to use it, I'll probably hand it back and say "thanks but no". Sigma releasing the 18-35 1.8 is emphasizing that what I don't have in that range is sub ƒ2., and this does not address that. At some point someone is going to sell me a lens. It's not looking like it's going to be that lens.

10-31-2013, 11:17 AM	#20
lytrytyr Pentaxian Join Date: Nov 2011 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 4,310	Originally posted by normhead Sigma releasing the 18-35 1.8 is emphasizing that what I don't have in that range is sub ƒ2., and this does not address that. The DA Limited lenses were never intended to be fast. Compactness and high IQ are the design priorities. The FA 20-35 is no longer than the DA 18-55 kit lenses, so if this new zoom at that size offers high enough IQ (resolution, rendering, flare resistance), I'll certainly be interested in it.

10-31-2013, 11:24 AM	#21
Andi Lo Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Halifax, Nova Scotia Posts: 2,924	Originally posted by lytrytyr The DA Limited lenses were never intended to be fast. Compactness and high IQ are the design priorities. The FA 20-35 is no longer than the DA 18-55 kit lenses, so if this new zoom at that size offers high enough IQ (resolution, rendering, flare resistance), I'll certainly be interested in it. +1 I'm interested in how small they can make it. If it's FA 50 size, I'll be real happy. If it extends I really hope it extends towards 40mm. The 20mm will be much more useful for street. Hoping that like DA 15 and its mates, it will be another lens that Pentax and only pentax has.

10-31-2013, 11:26 AM	#22
lytrytyr Pentaxian Join Date: Nov 2011 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 4,310	Originally posted by normhead DA 18-135 , which is really strong from 20-40 Realistically, if the new Limited zoom at 24/3.5 matches or beats the DA 18 - 135 at 24/5.6, that will be a worthwhile improvement IMHO.

10-31-2013, 11:27 AM	#23
JinDesu Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: New York City Photos: Gallery Posts: 5,638	Originally posted by lytrytyr Realistically, if the new Limited zoom at 24/3.5 matches or beats the DA 18 - 135 at 24/5.6, that will be a worthwhile improvement IMHO. Why the 18-135 at 24/5.6? It's already that small at 24mm?

10-31-2013, 11:31 AM	#24
lytrytyr Pentaxian Join Date: Nov 2011 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 4,310	Originally posted by JinDesu Why the 18-135 at 24/5.6? It's already that small at 24mm? No, but that seems to be where it gives acceptable sharpness across the frame: Pentax SMC-DA 18-135mm f/3.5-5.6 ED AL [IF] WR - Review / Lens Test - Analysis

10-31-2013, 11:56 AM	#25
Rondec Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Gladys, Virginia Photos: Gallery Posts: 27,650	I don't know. It was bound to have a limited range. But 20mm to 40mm feels really limited -- I would have preferred 15/16 to 40. Easier for me to stick the DA 40 in my pocket and DA 15 on my camera (or vice versa). Maybe image quality will be awesome, but hard to believe that it will be that much better than current primes (or smaller for that matter).

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10-31-2013, 12:15 PM	#27
Rondec Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Gladys, Virginia Photos: Gallery Posts: 27,650	Originally posted by Andi Lo You already have that lens you described though, it's called 18-55 WR Can't fight physics I think, 18-55 is as small as it's going to be already. Well, the 18-55 is not f2.8 to f4 and it isn't usable wide open (my experience is that it needs to be shot f5.6 to f8 for good sharpness). I would assume this lens will be good wide open and will be small and flare resistant. But I am not particularly interested.

10-31-2013, 12:20 PM	#28
jimr-pdx Pentaxian Join Date: May 2010 Location: now 1 hour north of PDX Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 3,897	A 20-60mm would have been my choice (oh I'll bite: especially an FF version as the new 24-70) and I had been thinking WR and f/3.5-4.5 for size. DC would be very nice! So many compromises to go wider than 20mm and keep it small as a zoom. Ah well, guess I should have gone to that meeting..

10-31-2013, 12:31 PM - 1 Like	#29
Fl_Gulfer Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Florida Gulfer Photos: Albums Posts: 3,054	Not sure why it couldn't be 2.8 throughout the range?

10-31-2013, 12:34 PM - 1 Like	#30
kcmadr Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Vancouver, BC Photos: Albums Posts: 614	What does this lens offer over the DA* 16-50mm f2.8?