The DA limited is 20-40? and WR?!

**Pål Jensen** · 10-31-2013, 05:24 PM

Originally posted by Azzy

Stupid range for APS-C IMO....hopefully this is FF compatible and signs to come that FF is coming.

Nothing strange about the range. It is spot on. About 75% of all images are shot in the 30-60mm range (35mm system).
This is brillant focal lenght range for a high quality, compact standard zoom lens...

bxf · 10-31-2013, 05:32 PM

Originally posted by rlatjsrud

I know it's DA limited but does it supports FF camera or not??

DA designation is for crop mode lenses, FA is for FF.

Andi Lo · 10-31-2013, 05:43 PM

Originally posted by bxf

DA designation is for crop mode lenses, FA is for FF.

Some DA lenses curiously does "support" FF.

20-40 (or rather, 35-60mm) is actually a rather classic FF range, but since they call this lens a "limited" it will probably be a totally new lens design like the DA 15, in order to keep it compact.

Ooops, I though I promised not to post in this thread

Azzy · 10-31-2013, 06:08 PM

Originally posted by Uluru

It is a desperate "bridge-the-gap" measure. Pentax is designing one lens that fills the obvious gap in the DA Limited range that had not be filled since 2008. That gap is the most interesting 20–35mm in APS-C (30–50mm in FF), but it seems in this design they could squeeze up to 40mm (60mm in FF), still keeping the design small and stopping at f4 (if true).

So it won't be FF compatible apart form the possible crop mode on a possible FF camera.

Don't put too much stress on the FF — DA Limiteds will never happen again in the FF offer, if it ever comes.

But why get this when there is tamron 17-50. Wider, faster, longer, cheaper possibly?
Unless it's smaller than 18 55 kit it doesn't make sense

Uluru · 10-31-2013, 06:10 PM

Originally posted by Azzy

But why get this when there is tamron 17-50. Wider, faster, longer, cheaper possibly?
Unless it's smaller than 18 55 kit it doesn't make sense

It will probably be very small; very light and no bigger than DA35.
That's the whole point.

**filoxophy** · 10-31-2013, 06:18 PM

While we're still just reading the tea leaves, anyone care to hazard a guess on the price?

With the HD Ltds being $700+ (40mm $550), it certainly won't be cheaper than that, will it? I'd put it at $750-850, $999 if the DC and WR rumors pan out.

I don't know... (stream of consciousness alert)...If you look at it as "just another" semi-fast normal zoom as some appear to be doing, the above prices would seem crazy. But if it proves worthy of the Limited moniker, I know I'll start saving up for it.

Uluru · 10-31-2013, 06:24 PM

Originally posted by filoxophy

While we're still just reading the tea leaves, anyone care to hazard a guess on the price?

With the HD Ltds being $700+ (40mm $550), it certainly won't be cheaper than that, will it? I'd put it at $750-850, $999 if the DC and WR rumors pan out.
..

Yes, I'm afraid, it will be no less than $900.

Na Horuk · 10-31-2013, 06:28 PM

Hm, did I get this right?
f-stop = focal length / diameter
Diameter = focal / f-stop
Diameter = 40 / 4 = 10
Diameter = 20/ 2.8 = 7,1

So this is pretty small. Dunno about the length and size of the lens, though. It has to be shorter than the DA L18-55mm (which is 6.7 cm long)

Uluru · 10-31-2013, 07:39 PM

Originally posted by Na Horuk

Hm, did I get this right?
f-stop = focal length / diameter
Diameter = focal / f-stop
Diameter = 40 / 4 = 10
Diameter = 20/ 2.8 = 7,1

So this is pretty small. Dunno about the length and size of the lens, though. It has to be shorter than the DA L18-55mm (which is 6.7 cm long)

DA18-55 is 3x zoom.
DA* 16-50 is also 3x zoom.
Etc.

DA Ltd is only 2x zoom, first one in the Pentax digital land. It will be a lot shorter than DA18-55, and I presume, of excellent quality.

Fl_Gulfer · 10-31-2013, 08:03 PM

It will go nice with my Sigma 10-20....

Azzy · 10-31-2013, 08:04 PM

Originally posted by Uluru

It will probably be very small; very light and no bigger than DA35.
That's the whole point.

If that's true that would be impressive.

But I still stand by my remark. As a business decision releasing this lens right after unveiling K-3 this doesn't make sense.
Why update and market the AF system, burst rate, processing speed and put it in a larger and heavier body than K-5. Which obviously partially aimed to lure Canikon aps-c action shooter to Pentax. Yet release a compact, slow zoom lens as a follow up move.

I understand there probably is a market for this lens but Pentax is sending a mixed signal to which direction they're going, and worse not riding the momentum that K-3 created

Uluru · 10-31-2013, 08:16 PM

Originally posted by Azzy

If that's true that would be impressive.

But I still stand by my remark. As a business decision releasing this lens right after unveiling K-3 this doesn't make sense.
Why update and market the AF system, burst rate, processing speed and put it in a larger and heavier body than K-5. Which obviously partially aimed to lure Canikon aps-c action shooter to Pentax. Yet release a compact, slow zoom lens as a follow up move.

Why such a lens? Just because of your explanation: world is full of big and so called fast zooms. Who needs one more?
Also, it's not quite slow zoom: if your trow it away in a long shot, it may reach at least 50 km/h speed in first 20m. Even more if you throw it down from a high building.

Why they're releasing it now, after the K-3? Because that is all they have to announce for November. Each month they announce something, even if it's a nonsense like the company name change. If they've announced DA Ltd zoom together with K-3, they'd run of all announcements for this year. So it is possible DA Ltd zoom will be announced next week, and 08 lens for Q in December.

Then, that John Carlson from Denver office has bought a new tie, will be announced right in January 2014!

bxf · 10-31-2013, 08:43 PM

Originally posted by Andi Lo

Some DA lenses curiously does "support" FF.

I'm well aware of this, but "support" is the magic word here, as it implies (to me) "by design". i.e. it is intended to work on FF, rather than just "happening" to work on FF. I wasn't sure as to the meaning of the asker's use of "support".

Azzy · 10-31-2013, 08:52 PM

Originally posted by Uluru

Why such a lens? Just because of your explanation: world is full of big and so called fast zooms. Who needs one more?
Also, it's not quite slow zoom: if your trow it away in a long shot, it may reach at least 50 km/h speed in first 20m. Even more if you throw it down from a high building.

Why they're releasing it now, after the K-3? Because that is all they have to announce for November. Each month they announce something, even if it's a nonsense like the company name change. If they've announced DA Ltd zoom together with K-3, they'd run of all announcements for this year. So it is possible DA Ltd zoom will be announced next week, and 08 lens for Q in December.

Then, that John Carlson from Denver office has bought a new tie, will be announced right in January 2014!

Well pentax do need one more since we don't even have one :P
Yes it might not be that slow, 50 km/h might be plausible but if you throw a heavy fast-er zoom you can hurt someone who is trying to mug you even more!

I think John Carlson announcement will be delayed to Q2 2014 due to QA issue, too much moire on the tie pattern

derekkite · 10-31-2013, 09:09 PM

Originally posted by Uluru

Why such a lens? Just because of your explanation: world is full of big and so called fast zooms. Who needs one more?
Also, it's not quite slow zoom: if your trow it away in a long shot, it may reach at least 50 km/h speed in first 20m. Even more if you throw it down from a high building.

Why they're releasing it now, after the K-3? Because that is all they have to announce for November. Each month they announce something, even if it's a nonsense like the company name change. If they've announced DA Ltd zoom together with K-3, they'd run of all announcements for this year. So it is possible DA Ltd zoom will be announced next week, and 08 lens for Q in December.

Then, that John Carlson from Denver office has bought a new tie, will be announced right in January 2014!

Yes. And when they've announced a new lens or new body or new reissue of an old lens at the 3-4 week pace for a year, filling all the obvious holes, then we won't wonder about confusion or whatever. We will wonder where we are going to get the money to buy all the neat stuff that we want.

10-31-2013, 06:10 PM	#65
Uluru Banned Join Date: May 2010 Location: Back to my Walkabout Creek Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 2,535	Originally posted by Azzy But why get this when there is tamron 17-50. Wider, faster, longer, cheaper possibly? Unless it's smaller than 18 55 kit it doesn't make sense It will probably be very small; very light and no bigger than DA35. That's the whole point. Last edited by Uluru; 10-31-2013 at 06:18 PM.

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Pål Jensen Site Supporter Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Norway Photos: Albums Posts: 4,371	Originally posted by Azzy Stupid range for APS-C IMO....hopefully this is FF compatible and signs to come that FF is coming. Nothing strange about the range. It is spot on. About 75% of all images are shot in the 30-60mm range (35mm system). This is brillant focal lenght range for a high quality, compact standard zoom lens...

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bxf Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Lisbon area Posts: 1,660	Originally posted by rlatjsrud I know it's DA limited but does it supports FF camera or not?? DA designation is for crop mode lenses, FA is for FF.

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Andi Lo Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Halifax, Nova Scotia Posts: 2,924	Originally posted by bxf DA designation is for crop mode lenses, FA is for FF. Some DA lenses curiously does "support" FF. 20-40 (or rather, 35-60mm) is actually a rather classic FF range, but since they call this lens a "limited" it will probably be a totally new lens design like the DA 15, in order to keep it compact. Ooops, I though I promised not to post in this thread

10-31-2013, 06:08 PM	#64
Azzy Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Photos: Albums Posts: 201	Originally posted by Uluru It is a desperate "bridge-the-gap" measure. Pentax is designing one lens that fills the obvious gap in the DA Limited range that had not be filled since 2008. That gap is the most interesting 20–35mm in APS-C (30–50mm in FF), but it seems in this design they could squeeze up to 40mm (60mm in FF), still keeping the design small and stopping at f4 (if true). So it won't be FF compatible apart form the possible crop mode on a possible FF camera. Don't put too much stress on the FF — DA Limiteds will never happen again in the FF offer, if it ever comes. But why get this when there is tamron 17-50. Wider, faster, longer, cheaper possibly? Unless it's smaller than 18 55 kit it doesn't make sense

10-31-2013, 06:18 PM	#66
filoxophy Site Supporter Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Albuquerque Posts: 1,132	While we're still just reading the tea leaves, anyone care to hazard a guess on the price? With the HD Ltds being $700+ (40mm $550), it certainly won't be cheaper than that, will it? I'd put it at $750-850, $999 if the DC and WR rumors pan out. I don't know... (stream of consciousness alert)...If you look at it as "just another" semi-fast normal zoom as some appear to be doing, the above prices would seem crazy. But if it proves worthy of the Limited moniker, I know I'll start saving up for it.

10-31-2013, 06:24 PM	#67
Uluru Banned Join Date: May 2010 Location: Back to my Walkabout Creek Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 2,535	Originally posted by filoxophy While we're still just reading the tea leaves, anyone care to hazard a guess on the price? With the HD Ltds being $700+ (40mm $550), it certainly won't be cheaper than that, will it? I'd put it at $750-850, $999 if the DC and WR rumors pan out. .. Yes, I'm afraid, it will be no less than $900.

10-31-2013, 06:28 PM	#68
Na Horuk Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Slovenia, probably Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 11,186	Hm, did I get this right? f-stop = focal length / diameter Diameter = focal / f-stop Diameter = 40 / 4 = 10 Diameter = 20/ 2.8 = 7,1 So this is pretty small. Dunno about the length and size of the lens, though. It has to be shorter than the DA L18-55mm (which is 6.7 cm long)

10-31-2013, 07:39 PM	#69
Uluru Banned Join Date: May 2010 Location: Back to my Walkabout Creek Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 2,535	Originally posted by Na Horuk Hm, did I get this right? f-stop = focal length / diameter Diameter = focal / f-stop Diameter = 40 / 4 = 10 Diameter = 20/ 2.8 = 7,1 So this is pretty small. Dunno about the length and size of the lens, though. It has to be shorter than the DA L18-55mm (which is 6.7 cm long) DA18-55 is 3x zoom. DA* 16-50 is also 3x zoom. Etc. DA Ltd is only 2x zoom, first one in the Pentax digital land. It will be a lot shorter than DA18-55, and I presume, of excellent quality.

10-31-2013, 08:03 PM	#70
Fl_Gulfer Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Florida Gulfer Photos: Albums Posts: 3,054	It will go nice with my Sigma 10-20....

10-31-2013, 08:04 PM	#71
Azzy Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Photos: Albums Posts: 201	Originally posted by Uluru It will probably be very small; very light and no bigger than DA35. That's the whole point. If that's true that would be impressive. But I still stand by my remark. As a business decision releasing this lens right after unveiling K-3 this doesn't make sense. Why update and market the AF system, burst rate, processing speed and put it in a larger and heavier body than K-5. Which obviously partially aimed to lure Canikon aps-c action shooter to Pentax. Yet release a compact, slow zoom lens as a follow up move. I understand there probably is a market for this lens but Pentax is sending a mixed signal to which direction they're going, and worse not riding the momentum that K-3 created

10-31-2013, 08:16 PM	#72
Uluru Banned Join Date: May 2010 Location: Back to my Walkabout Creek Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 2,535	Originally posted by Azzy If that's true that would be impressive. But I still stand by my remark. As a business decision releasing this lens right after unveiling K-3 this doesn't make sense. Why update and market the AF system, burst rate, processing speed and put it in a larger and heavier body than K-5. Which obviously partially aimed to lure Canikon aps-c action shooter to Pentax. Yet release a compact, slow zoom lens as a follow up move. Why such a lens? Just because of your explanation: world is full of big and so called fast zooms. Who needs one more? Also, it's not quite slow zoom: if your trow it away in a long shot, it may reach at least 50 km/h speed in first 20m. Even more if you throw it down from a high building. Why they're releasing it now, after the K-3? Because that is all they have to announce for November. Each month they announce something, even if it's a nonsense like the company name change. If they've announced DA Ltd zoom together with K-3, they'd run of all announcements for this year. So it is possible DA Ltd zoom will be announced next week, and 08 lens for Q in December. Then, that John Carlson from Denver office has bought a new tie, will be announced right in January 2014!

10-31-2013, 08:43 PM	#73
bxf Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Lisbon area Posts: 1,660	Originally posted by Andi Lo Some DA lenses curiously does "support" FF. I'm well aware of this, but "support" is the magic word here, as it implies (to me) "by design". i.e. it is intended to work on FF, rather than just "happening" to work on FF. I wasn't sure as to the meaning of the asker's use of "support".

10-31-2013, 08:52 PM	#74
Azzy Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Photos: Albums Posts: 201	Originally posted by Uluru Why such a lens? Just because of your explanation: world is full of big and so called fast zooms. Who needs one more? Also, it's not quite slow zoom: if your trow it away in a long shot, it may reach at least 50 km/h speed in first 20m. Even more if you throw it down from a high building. Why they're releasing it now, after the K-3? Because that is all they have to announce for November. Each month they announce something, even if it's a nonsense like the company name change. If they've announced DA Ltd zoom together with K-3, they'd run of all announcements for this year. So it is possible DA Ltd zoom will be announced next week, and 08 lens for Q in December. Then, that John Carlson from Denver office has bought a new tie, will be announced right in January 2014! Well pentax do need one more since we don't even have one :P Yes it might not be that slow, 50 km/h might be plausible but if you throw a heavy fast-er zoom you can hurt someone who is trying to mug you even more! I think John Carlson announcement will be delayed to Q2 2014 due to QA issue, too much moire on the tie pattern

10-31-2013, 09:09 PM	#75
derekkite Pentaxian Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Nelson B.C. Posts: 3,782	Originally posted by Uluru Why such a lens? Just because of your explanation: world is full of big and so called fast zooms. Who needs one more? Also, it's not quite slow zoom: if your trow it away in a long shot, it may reach at least 50 km/h speed in first 20m. Even more if you throw it down from a high building. Why they're releasing it now, after the K-3? Because that is all they have to announce for November. Each month they announce something, even if it's a nonsense like the company name change. If they've announced DA Ltd zoom together with K-3, they'd run of all announcements for this year. So it is possible DA Ltd zoom will be announced next week, and 08 lens for Q in December. Then, that John Carlson from Denver office has bought a new tie, will be announced right in January 2014! Yes. And when they've announced a new lens or new body or new reissue of an old lens at the 3-4 week pace for a year, filling all the obvious holes, then we won't wonder about confusion or whatever. We will wonder where we are going to get the money to buy all the neat stuff that we want.