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11-03-2013, 10:55 AM   #31
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Do you think the average Q customer is carrying a tripod around?
Actually, based upon the initial response to the original Q, the fringe dwellers who tried it and liked it, the experimentation and creativity it inspires, the near-cult level of fun this competent little camera produces and the ready availability of adapters for almost any lens mount - Yes, yes I do think the average Q customer is carrying a tripod around.

I understand why some would dismiss Q out-of-hand but that misses the point. Q, especially Q7, fills an important and apparently growing niche. For really demanding shots I have a dSLR and many traditional film cameras. For shooting just for me, just for joy, I have an XA - and two Q's.

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The average DSLR user doesn't carry a tripod (or ever change lenses, or use the lens hood, or take the camera out of full auto). But, as pointed out, those of us using long lenses on the Q do often use a tripod. Actually not so much because of how camera shake affects the shot, as how difficult it is to focus a long lens on the Q hand held.

But, fair question in that this is about the new zoom, and I expect many of us would go hand held when using that lens. For this kind of shooting the Q is pretty pointless if it isn't kept small, so as long as the new zoom is sharp wide open I'm happy with that tradeoff. What's most needed is better high-ISO performance, which does seem to have arrived with the Q7.
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What do you mean by 'some would dismiss Q out-of-hand'?

I thought we were talking about the average Q owner and tripods.

I know there's some mini-tripods around, but personally I would think lugging around a tripod misses the point of the Q.
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QuoteOriginally posted by ElJamoquio Quote
What do you mean by 'some would dismiss Q out-of-hand'?
Self-evident statement.
QuoteOriginally posted by ElJamoquio Quote
I thought we were talking about the average Q owner and tripods.
How do you (or I) know who the "average" Q User is?
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I know there's some mini-tripods around, but personally I would think lugging around a tripod misses the point of the Q.
My point is to ask, "What is the point of Q," and how do you (or I) know what it is?

We're all "average" Q Users a lot of the time. Some of us (perhaps many of us) also lug around a tripod some of the time. I routinely lug around a beanbag with a tripod screw stitched in.

That's the point of Q - there isn't an average use.

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QuoteOriginally posted by monochrome Quote
Self-evident statement.
OK, I guess I'm missing what the relevance is.
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QuoteOriginally posted by ElJamoquio Quote
Do you think the average Q customer is carrying a tripod around?
You have a point , but as I have mentioned, at least the user should find support or brace.

In fact, the rules to good quality photos don't change and a tripod is a must for that option of better photos.
Even a minipod/gorillapod will do.
Another scenario is as a backp camera, so the tripod is there anyway.

I bring a light slik sprint pro tripod if I know I will be using tje Q for longer exposures.


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My friend does this with Q7.
The Q7 / Q10 / Q picture sharing thread - Page 3
With tripod
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You have a point , but as I have mentioned, at least the user should find support or brace.
If it's possible, of course.

Personally I'm not all that disappointed with F/3.7 in an ultra-wide, myself. It'll limit me in low light but that's not really the Q's forte no matter what you do. I don't really think I'm going to be taking very many pictures...

1) with the Q
2) in low light
3) at ultra-wide angles
4) without a moving subject (that I don't want to move in pic)

Sure, F/2 would be great but I think that's outside the scope of 99% of the pics this lens would take, anyway. Paying five times as much for a lens that's large seems outside the scope of the q system, to me.
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Q starts, where how it should or is supposed to be, ends.
That is exactly where at last I am free.
Now let me take that into a wider perspective.
Zooming through my autistic world with a 08.
My average Q use, silent and impressionistic.
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This lens actually is really exciting... Is there any other Q-sized compact that has an actual UWA lens?

QuoteOriginally posted by PentaxMom Felua Quote
Q starts, where how it should or is supposed to be, ends.
That is exactly where at last I am free.
Now let me take that into a wider perspective.
Zooming through my autistic world with a 08.
My average Q use, silent and impressionistic.
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The Q is quite hand-holdable for night shots with the fisheye, so it should work fine with this lens too.


0.8s, f/5.6, ISO 125, hand held.

If you have less steady hands (or don't want to have to take the shot more than once) you can bump the ISO a bit. Or if it's darker (as it always is) I guess you'll have to live with taking many shots until one is sharp. Still entirely doable. Plus the Q works fine on a tiny weightless mini-gorillapod that fits on my pants pocket. I'm happy the lens will be small instead of fast, even though I shoot mostly at night.
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With an image circle this small, I am not convinced that fast lenses have to be large. Maybe the leaf shutter and nd filer take a lot of space.
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QuoteOriginally posted by fuent104 Quote
With an image circle this small, I am not convinced that fast lenses have to be large. Maybe the leaf shutter and nd filer take a lot of space.
On small image circle: While "fast lenses don't have to be large" that's true with the 01 prime.
On leaf shutter and ND filter: it's also false with the 01 prime.

Am not sure about lens design mechanics but optics is tricky and I have no knowledge of them, aside from physical limitations (wide lenses being most of the time big and..wide). The 08 is f3.7 at its widest... taking into equivalence for comparison, the 02 zoom, while at its widest is f2.8, is 24mm in FF, with the 08 being at 17mm. Maybe the limitations lie within those numbers...
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