Surprises at Salon de la Photo, Paris (7 november)

**monochrome** · 11-07-2013, 06:56 AM

Originally posted by Digitalis

Many evening dresses have been ruined by a sagging décolletage...

Oh dear. I meant her camera.

eurostar · 11-07-2013, 07:18 AM

Originally posted by MMVIII

Actually a good question. On the other hand, with such a camera two lenses need to be introduced: 24-70mm f2.8, 70-210mm f2.8, and revamped versions of the FA Limiteds.
The DFAs are already there, later you can add maybe a 16-24mm f2.8 zoom or some fast WA-primes.

That's all, with this you give everyone the opportunity to exploit the advantage of the bigger sensor - fast zooms (f"2" on K-3), shallow DOF (f"1.2" 31mm...).

Everything else is better supported by APS-C, larger reach, portability and affordability may not be primary goals, I think this system might gonna cost it's money.

To be truely honest: I'd go with a K-3 with 20-40 ltd instead of a retro Nik0n Df... YMMV

If they do like Fuji, they can introduce the FF camera just with a revamped, HD-WR version of the three FA limited. A camera with a shutter dial like the Nikon DF, BUT with real physical aperture ring on the lenses, something the modern Nikkors lack. Then, later, they could add DFA zooms, if there will be a market for them.

**monochrome** · 11-07-2013, 08:02 AM

Originally posted by eurostar

with real physical aperture ring on the lenses

and coupled aperture lever? Un-cripple the K-mount.

thibs · 11-07-2013, 02:29 PM

Originally posted by Clavius

What I don't understand about the rumored Pentax FF is: Why are the lenses that they have recently released and are currenlty releasing all DA, and thus FF incompatible? If they are really serious about releasing an FF camera any time in the near future, even if two years away, why then not start introducing DFA's instead? I remain very sceptic.

Because no company in theirright mind would announce such lens without the camera coming with it.
Sony didn't anounced any FE lens before announcing the A7/A7R even though it really wasn't any surprise at all for anyone.

lytrytyr · 11-07-2013, 02:53 PM

Originally posted by Uluru

While everyone expects some form of an FF to buy, I really, really want another APS-C body that isn't a typical K-5/K-3 style DSLR. I hope I'm not alone here who wishes the same?

Clearly, anyone who bought a K-01.

luxrising · 11-07-2013, 04:47 PM

Originally posted by asahi man

But it looks like a classic dslr in K-3 Style and K mount

Am I understanding that you are saying Ricoh is releasing another APS-C body (not the K-3) with similar specs to the K-3 in a traditionally styled body?

**Digitalis** · 11-07-2013, 06:57 PM

Originally posted by monochrome

Oh dear. I meant her camera.

I made you look... no-one is a saint here.

Last edited by Digitalis; 11-08-2013 at 12:57 AM.

richard balonglong · 11-07-2013, 08:01 PM

So... Today's Nov 8 here in Asia... What are the surprises, besides the 20-40mm and Q 08 lenses? =)

jimr-pdx · 11-07-2013, 10:45 PM

Since the updated roadmap shows new K-mount gear arriving in 2014 or later, one surprise will need to be "2014 started on 11/1/13"

Maybe it's a fiscal-year thing?

**RobA_Oz** · 11-07-2013, 11:06 PM

Originally posted by richard balonglong

So... Today's Nov 8 here in Asia... What are the surprises, besides the 20-40mm and Q 08 lenses? =)

Unless they're keeping them for a grand announcement at the Salon, I suspect the surprises will be small and personal (maybe a new leather camera strap). Otherwise, I think we'd have heard by now.

Clavius · 11-07-2013, 11:33 PM

Originally posted by thibs

Because no company in theirright mind would announce such lens without the camera coming with it.

Yeah, imagine that, users that want FF actually sticking around because of those FF compatible lens releases. Who wants that? No they should surely wait until all users that are left are absolutely not interested in any FF system.

The Pentax-FF-cat is out of the bag anyway: they officially confirmed to be developing it. So showing some FF-ready lenses would only add (the much needed) credit to that statement. Actions do speak louder then words. And with those lenses being compatible with with the APS-C K-mount anyway...

Don't compare it to Sony. From Sony FE system rumor to fruition took slightly over a year! They do what they promiss.

thibs · 11-08-2013, 12:59 AM

Originally posted by Clavius

Yeah, imagine that, users that want FF actually sticking around because of those FF compatible lens releases. Who wants that? No they should surely wait until all users that are left are absolutely not interested in any FF system.

Don't compare it to Sony. From Sony FE system to fruition took slightly over a year!

Think what you want, you're wrong. NO company would do such a thing.

Clavius · 11-08-2013, 01:52 AM

Originally posted by thibs

Think what you want, you're wrong. NO company would do such a thing.

...They did exactly that. They already released some DFA's a while ago! And they didn't die from that at all. But back then it was the other way round. They were releasing FF lenses, but confirmed officially not to be developing an FF camera.

Kunzite · 11-08-2013, 02:02 AM

Then it wasn't "exactly that".

Mistral75 · 11-08-2013, 02:22 AM

Originally posted by richard balonglong

So... Today's Nov 8 here in Asia... What are the surprises, besides the 20-40mm and Q 08 lenses? =)

That (Salon de la Photo, Paris).

11-07-2013, 04:47 PM	#111
luxrising Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2013 Posts: 31	Am I reading this right? Originally posted by asahi man But it looks like a classic dslr in K-3 Style and K mount Am I understanding that you are saying Ricoh is releasing another APS-C body (not the K-3) with similar specs to the K-3 in a traditionally styled body?

11-07-2013, 11:33 PM	#116
Clavius Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: De Klundert Photos: Gallery Posts: 4,150	Originally posted by thibs Because no company in theirright mind would announce such lens without the camera coming with it. Yeah, imagine that, users that want FF actually sticking around because of those FF compatible lens releases. Who wants that? No they should surely wait until all users that are left are absolutely not interested in any FF system. The Pentax-FF-cat is out of the bag anyway: they officially confirmed to be developing it. So showing some FF-ready lenses would only add (the much needed) credit to that statement. Actions do speak louder then words. And with those lenses being compatible with with the APS-C K-mount anyway... Don't compare it to Sony. From Sony FE system rumor to fruition took slightly over a year! They do what they promiss. Last edited by Clavius; 11-08-2013 at 01:27 AM.

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11-07-2013, 06:56 AM	#106
monochrome Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Working From Home Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 26,276	Originally posted by Digitalis Many evening dresses have been ruined by a sagging décolletage... Oh dear. I meant her camera.

11-07-2013, 07:18 AM	#107
eurostar Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Albareto, Italy Photos: Gallery Posts: 819	Originally posted by MMVIII Actually a good question. On the other hand, with such a camera two lenses need to be introduced: 24-70mm f2.8, 70-210mm f2.8, and revamped versions of the FA Limiteds. The DFAs are already there, later you can add maybe a 16-24mm f2.8 zoom or some fast WA-primes. That's all, with this you give everyone the opportunity to exploit the advantage of the bigger sensor - fast zooms (f"2" on K-3), shallow DOF (f"1.2" 31mm...). Everything else is better supported by APS-C, larger reach, portability and affordability may not be primary goals, I think this system might gonna cost it's money. To be truely honest: I'd go with a K-3 with 20-40 ltd instead of a retro Nik0n Df... YMMV If they do like Fuji, they can introduce the FF camera just with a revamped, HD-WR version of the three FA limited. A camera with a shutter dial like the Nikon DF, BUT with real physical aperture ring on the lenses, something the modern Nikkors lack. Then, later, they could add DFA zooms, if there will be a market for them.

11-07-2013, 08:02 AM	#108
monochrome Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Working From Home Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 26,276	Originally posted by eurostar with real physical aperture ring on the lenses and coupled aperture lever? Un-cripple the K-mount.

11-07-2013, 02:29 PM	#109
thibs Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Belgium Photos: Albums Posts: 7,001	Originally posted by Clavius What I don't understand about the rumored Pentax FF is: Why are the lenses that they have recently released and are currenlty releasing all DA, and thus FF incompatible? If they are really serious about releasing an FF camera any time in the near future, even if two years away, why then not start introducing DFA's instead? I remain very sceptic. Because no company in theirright mind would announce such lens without the camera coming with it. Sony didn't anounced any FE lens before announcing the A7/A7R even though it really wasn't any surprise at all for anyone.

11-07-2013, 02:53 PM	#110
lytrytyr Pentaxian Join Date: Nov 2011 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 4,310	Originally posted by Uluru While everyone expects some form of an FF to buy, I really, really want another APS-C body that isn't a typical K-5/K-3 style DSLR. I hope I'm not alone here who wishes the same? Clearly, anyone who bought a K-01.

11-07-2013, 06:57 PM	#112
Digitalis Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Melbourne, Victoria Photos: Gallery Posts: 11,694	Originally posted by monochrome Oh dear. I meant her camera. I made you look... no-one is a saint here. Last edited by Digitalis; 11-08-2013 at 12:57 AM.

11-07-2013, 08:01 PM	#113
richard balonglong Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Baguio City, Philippines Photos: Gallery Posts: 350	So... Today's Nov 8 here in Asia... What are the surprises, besides the 20-40mm and Q 08 lenses? =)

11-07-2013, 10:45 PM	#114
jimr-pdx Pentaxian Join Date: May 2010 Location: now 1 hour north of PDX Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 3,897	Since the updated roadmap shows new K-mount gear arriving in 2014 or later, one surprise will need to be "2014 started on 11/1/13" Maybe it's a fiscal-year thing?

11-07-2013, 11:06 PM	#115
RobA_Oz Site Supporter Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Tasmania, Australia Photos: Gallery Posts: 8,196	Originally posted by richard balonglong So... Today's Nov 8 here in Asia... What are the surprises, besides the 20-40mm and Q 08 lenses? =) Unless they're keeping them for a grand announcement at the Salon, I suspect the surprises will be small and personal (maybe a new leather camera strap). Otherwise, I think we'd have heard by now.

11-08-2013, 12:59 AM	#117
thibs Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Belgium Photos: Albums Posts: 7,001	Originally posted by Clavius Yeah, imagine that, users that want FF actually sticking around because of those FF compatible lens releases. Who wants that? No they should surely wait until all users that are left are absolutely not interested in any FF system. Don't compare it to Sony. From Sony FE system to fruition took slightly over a year! Think what you want, you're wrong. NO company would do such a thing.

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11-08-2013, 01:52 AM	#118
Clavius Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: De Klundert Photos: Gallery Posts: 4,150	Originally posted by thibs Think what you want, you're wrong. NO company would do such a thing. ...They did exactly that. They already released some DFA's a while ago! And they didn't die from that at all. But back then it was the other way round. They were releasing FF lenses, but confirmed officially not to be developing an FF camera.

11-08-2013, 02:02 AM	#119
Kunzite Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Romania Posts: 15,132	Then it wasn't "exactly that".

11-08-2013, 02:22 AM	#120
Mistral75 Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Paris, France Posts: 7,527	Originally posted by richard balonglong So... Today's Nov 8 here in Asia... What are the surprises, besides the 20-40mm and Q 08 lenses? =) That (Salon de la Photo, Paris).