K5ii discontinued at bh photo

D1N0 · 01-15-2014, 02:05 PM

Originally posted by asahiflex:

Let's assume we have a Pentax FF camera, a 15mm HD Pentax-DA lens and a 1.4x HD rear converter.

The above combination will result in fullframe pictures as if these were made with a 15mm x 1.4 = 21mm lens.

And that, in a nutshell, is why I think the rear converter is still not available since 2008. They only want to announce one in conjunction with a FF camera

So we can have a 21mm F5.6 lens whoopie! Would also have to be an inverted metabones in order to widen the image circle.

Zygonyx · 01-15-2014, 02:09 PM

Originally posted by monochrome

Well, we don't know what is smoke and what is mirrors.

Excellent !

Kunzite · 01-15-2014, 03:01 PM

Originally posted by monochrome

Well, we don't know what is smoke and what is mirrors.

Smoke should be the default truth-obscuring tool in the mirrorless camp

cali92rs · 01-15-2014, 03:21 PM

Originally posted by Kunzite

The solution to "not spoiling the existing mounts" is to "spoil" them? That doesn't make much sense, don't you think?

Yes, lets not spoil that giant 5% marketshare. Heaven forbid they go after 10%...

Kunzite · 01-15-2014, 04:35 PM

Same situation as above: the solution to go in a certain direction is NOT to run as fast as you can, in the opposite side. The Earth is round and you might get there eventually, but...

In this case, if you want to go from 5% to 10% (which appears to be part of The Plan) the solution is not to "spoil" those 5%, but to build on it. Elementary, my dear Watson

cali92rs · 01-15-2014, 05:33 PM

Originally posted by Kunzite

Same situation as above: the solution to go in a certain direction is NOT to run as fast as you can, in the opposite side. The Earth is round and you might get there eventually, but...

In this case, if you want to go from 5% to 10% (which appears to be part of The Plan) the solution is not to "spoil" those 5%, but to build on it. Elementary, my dear Watson

They have built some of the highest regarded APS-C cameras in the market the past 5 years. The APS-C market is much larger than the FF market. With all that, they haven't made a dent. So more of the same will?

**monochrome** · 01-15-2014, 06:03 PM

Originally posted by cali92rs

They have built some of the highest regarded APS-C cameras in the market the past 5 years. The APS-C market is much larger than the FF market. With all that, they haven't made a dent. So more of the same will?

According to a post here earlier this month of final sales numbers (CDN Report?) (not factory shipments to dealers), in the last 13 months Pentax total market share non-compacts (Q, K and 645) combined is right at 5%, up from 3.3% last year. As I have written elsewhere, when your strategy is constant, manageable growth, in the early years wheh you start at a small number your nominal growth is a small number. In the later years, at the same growth rate on a larger base number, your nominal growth is a much larger number.

That business strategy worked for Ricoh in office equipment - literally nothing to number one on the globe and 279th largest company on Earth - in 28 years. It is what Ricoh knows how to do. I don't know anything, but it would not surprise me to learn they've applied their basic business sense to the camera market.

I DO know their goals are measured in the intermediate term - 5 - 7 years, and that actions today may be building a foundation to accomplish something 3 years or 5 years from now.

IchabodCrane · 01-15-2014, 06:12 PM

Originally posted by Asahiflex

Let's assume we have a Pentax FF camera, a 15mm HD Pentax-DA lens and a 1.4x HD rear converter.

The above combination will result in fullframe pictures as if these were made with a 15mm x 1.4 = 21mm lens.

And that, in a nutshell, is why I think the rear converter is still not available since 2008. They only want to announce one in conjunction with a FF camera

Are you suggesting this mythical 1.4 TC might really be a mount converter for a new short-registration FF camera? Cool idea.... mount your existing Pentax lenses on a new FF camera AND roughly keep the relative focal lengths the same as APS-C.

Kunzite · 01-16-2014, 01:29 AM

Originally posted by cali92rs

They have built some of the highest regarded APS-C cameras in the market the past 5 years. The APS-C market is much larger than the FF market. With all that, they haven't made a dent. So more of the same will?

Same? Ricoh's will is not the same as Hoya's will; "building on it" is not the same as cost cutting and looking for buyers.

There is plenty of empirical evidence which laughs in the face of ideas like "make MILCs, and all your problems will be solved!" and "if only they had a FF...", sometimes combined into a "they need something truly original, like a Sony A7 clone". Sony had FF for years, and it was no good. MILC makers are struggling. Yet for Pentax, it would be an instant success?

JimmyDranox · 01-16-2014, 05:16 AM

Very interesting. On the ''New Recommended Pentax Gear Guide'' published by Adam, K-5II and K-5IIs are missing. !!!

ChristianRock · 01-16-2014, 10:59 AM

Originally posted by JimmyDranox

Very interesting. On the ''New Recommended Pentax Gear Guide'' published by Adam, K-5II and K-5IIs are missing. !!!

I think the guide is for new products, not for discontinued items.

lytrytyr · 01-16-2014, 11:21 AM

Originally posted by JimmyDranox

Has anybody saw a . . . Pentax made K mount converter to, whatever mount in this world? I didn't.

Here you go:

Pentax Adapter Q for K-Mount Lens Reviews - Pentax Q Mount Adapters - Pentax Lens Reviews & Lens Database

JimmyDranox · 01-16-2014, 11:56 AM

Lytrytyr, I was talking about converter from K to other company's mount, not from K to Q. If you read the messages above mine, you'll understand.

JimmyDranox · 01-16-2014, 12:03 PM

ChristianRock, this topic is about discontinued '' K-5II discontinued at B&H''. And everybody is asking: ''Is K-5II discontinued or not''. Until now, as far as I know, there is no official statement about this.

D1N0 · 01-16-2014, 01:11 PM

it's not according to asahiman, just out of production for a few months. The K-5 II is still a great camera.

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01-15-2014, 02:05 PM	#106
D1N0 Pentaxian Join Date: May 2012 Location: --- Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,802	Originally posted by asahiflex: Let's assume we have a Pentax FF camera, a 15mm HD Pentax-DA lens and a 1.4x HD rear converter. The above combination will result in fullframe pictures as if these were made with a 15mm x 1.4 = 21mm lens. And that, in a nutshell, is why I think the rear converter is still not available since 2008. They only want to announce one in conjunction with a FF camera So we can have a 21mm F5.6 lens whoopie! Would also have to be an inverted metabones in order to widen the image circle.

01-15-2014, 02:09 PM	#107
Zygonyx Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Ile de France Posts: 4,033	Originally posted by monochrome Well, we don't know what is smoke and what is mirrors. Excellent !

01-15-2014, 03:01 PM	#108
Kunzite Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Romania Posts: 15,132	Originally posted by monochrome Well, we don't know what is smoke and what is mirrors. Smoke should be the default truth-obscuring tool in the mirrorless camp

01-15-2014, 03:21 PM	#109
cali92rs Veteran Member Join Date: May 2011 Location: Long Beach, CA Posts: 3,354	Originally posted by Kunzite The solution to "not spoiling the existing mounts" is to "spoil" them? That doesn't make much sense, don't you think? Yes, lets not spoil that giant 5% marketshare. Heaven forbid they go after 10%...

01-15-2014, 04:35 PM	#110
Kunzite Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Romania Posts: 15,132	Same situation as above: the solution to go in a certain direction is NOT to run as fast as you can, in the opposite side. The Earth is round and you might get there eventually, but... In this case, if you want to go from 5% to 10% (which appears to be part of The Plan) the solution is not to "spoil" those 5%, but to build on it. Elementary, my dear Watson

01-15-2014, 05:33 PM	#111
cali92rs Veteran Member Join Date: May 2011 Location: Long Beach, CA Posts: 3,354	Originally posted by Kunzite Same situation as above: the solution to go in a certain direction is NOT to run as fast as you can, in the opposite side. The Earth is round and you might get there eventually, but... In this case, if you want to go from 5% to 10% (which appears to be part of The Plan) the solution is not to "spoil" those 5%, but to build on it. Elementary, my dear Watson They have built some of the highest regarded APS-C cameras in the market the past 5 years. The APS-C market is much larger than the FF market. With all that, they haven't made a dent. So more of the same will?

01-15-2014, 06:03 PM	#112
monochrome Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Working From Home Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 26,276	Originally posted by cali92rs They have built some of the highest regarded APS-C cameras in the market the past 5 years. The APS-C market is much larger than the FF market. With all that, they haven't made a dent. So more of the same will? According to a post here earlier this month of final sales numbers (CDN Report?) (not factory shipments to dealers), in the last 13 months Pentax total market share non-compacts (Q, K and 645) combined is right at 5%, up from 3.3% last year. As I have written elsewhere, when your strategy is constant, manageable growth, in the early years wheh you start at a small number your nominal growth is a small number. In the later years, at the same growth rate on a larger base number, your nominal growth is a much larger number. That business strategy worked for Ricoh in office equipment - literally nothing to number one on the globe and 279th largest company on Earth - in 28 years. It is what Ricoh knows how to do. I don't know anything, but it would not surprise me to learn they've applied their basic business sense to the camera market. I DO know their goals are measured in the intermediate term - 5 - 7 years, and that actions today may be building a foundation to accomplish something 3 years or 5 years from now.

01-15-2014, 06:12 PM	#113
IchabodCrane Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 1,728	Originally posted by Asahiflex Let's assume we have a Pentax FF camera, a 15mm HD Pentax-DA lens and a 1.4x HD rear converter. The above combination will result in fullframe pictures as if these were made with a 15mm x 1.4 = 21mm lens. And that, in a nutshell, is why I think the rear converter is still not available since 2008. They only want to announce one in conjunction with a FF camera Are you suggesting this mythical 1.4 TC might really be a mount converter for a new short-registration FF camera? Cool idea.... mount your existing Pentax lenses on a new FF camera AND roughly keep the relative focal lengths the same as APS-C.

01-16-2014, 01:29 AM	#114
Kunzite Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Romania Posts: 15,132	Originally posted by cali92rs They have built some of the highest regarded APS-C cameras in the market the past 5 years. The APS-C market is much larger than the FF market. With all that, they haven't made a dent. So more of the same will? Same? Ricoh's will is not the same as Hoya's will; "building on it" is not the same as cost cutting and looking for buyers. There is plenty of empirical evidence which laughs in the face of ideas like "make MILCs, and all your problems will be solved!" and "if only they had a FF...", sometimes combined into a "they need something truly original, like a Sony A7 clone". Sony had FF for years, and it was no good. MILC makers are struggling. Yet for Pentax, it would be an instant success?

01-16-2014, 05:16 AM	#115
JimmyDranox Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Ploiesti, Romania Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 1,632	Very interesting. On the ''New Recommended Pentax Gear Guide'' published by Adam, K-5II and K-5IIs are missing. !!!

01-16-2014, 10:59 AM	#116
ChristianRock Pentaxian Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: People's Republic of America Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 9,910	Originally posted by JimmyDranox Very interesting. On the ''New Recommended Pentax Gear Guide'' published by Adam, K-5II and K-5IIs are missing. !!! I think the guide is for new products, not for discontinued items.

01-16-2014, 11:21 AM	#117
lytrytyr Pentaxian Join Date: Nov 2011 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 4,310	Originally posted by JimmyDranox Has anybody saw a . . . Pentax made K mount converter to, whatever mount in this world? I didn't. Here you go: Pentax Adapter Q for K-Mount Lens Reviews - Pentax Q Mount Adapters - Pentax Lens Reviews & Lens Database

01-16-2014, 11:56 AM	#118
JimmyDranox Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Ploiesti, Romania Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 1,632	Lytrytyr, I was talking about converter from K to other company's mount, not from K to Q. If you read the messages above mine, you'll understand.

01-16-2014, 12:03 PM	#119
JimmyDranox Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Ploiesti, Romania Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 1,632	ChristianRock, this topic is about discontinued '' K-5II discontinued at B&H''. And everybody is asking: ''Is K-5II discontinued or not''. Until now, as far as I know, there is no official statement about this.

01-16-2014, 01:11 PM	#120
D1N0 Pentaxian Join Date: May 2012 Location: --- Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,802	it's not according to asahiman, just out of production for a few months. The K-5 II is still a great camera.