Sigma announces new 50mm f1.4 DG HSM Art Lens

auricle · 01-08-2014, 01:10 PM

Originally posted by ogl

They said the same about new 30/1.4. But still no new Sigma 30/1.4 for Pentax.
It's standard answer. I think.

How long ago did they give that answer?

Apapukas · 01-08-2014, 01:11 PM

Originally posted by Wired

it could also be argued that with the glock if it was dropped in cold weather and the plastic was cracked/compromised there could be an issue with it. This is why my friend whos in a local gun club does not allow glocks. I'm not knowledgeable about firearms so I'm not sure the validity of the claim.

I'm no gun expert either, but based on this vid, the plastic glock is made of, take the cold no problem.

You Tube

ElJamoquio · 01-08-2014, 01:19 PM

Originally posted by ogl

But no version for Pentax. Even in the future. Is there any sense of discussing this lens?

Sigma replied that eventually there would be a Pentax lens (how it was interpreted here).

Na Horuk · 01-08-2014, 01:22 PM

I think the main reason Pentax isn't making a 50mm f1.2 is AF. At f1.2 the AF would be unreliable, not to mention DoF would be so thin that even a slight shift between the focus confirm and shutter action could cause things to go OoF. This would be bad news for Pentax, because a lot of users would once again blame the AF system (often pointed out as Pentax' weak point) or the lens being unsharp, rather than learn how to use the two. Well, this, and the fact that f1.2 is a niche lens and wouldn't sell as many units as a trusty DA 50mm f1.8.

And regarding some of the comments, of course there are lenses larger than this new Sigma. But how many of them are 50mm f1.4? (not counting medium format lenses

) But I do agree that Sigma has been getting very good over the past few years. In the past, it was often dismissed, but now it rivals "the big boys." And I guess it has to make an overengineered lens to compete against the "regular" 50mm lenses that camera brands are offering

Wired · 01-08-2014, 01:27 PM

I'm fine with plastic barrels and other external construction for weight savings, and modern polys are pretty decent. However, plastic internals does scare me as I would worry about premature wear or the general longevity of the lens. All that being said, I much prefer a full metal construction as I have dropped lenses in the past and I do prefer them not to crack or brake. I've only dropped my M200f4 in cold weather and had no concern, but I fear if I dropped my DA*50-135 what would happen.

Wired · 01-08-2014, 01:28 PM

Originally posted by Na Horuk

And regarding some of the comments, of course there are lenses larger than this new Sigma. But how many of them are 50mm f1.4? (not counting medium format lenses

) But I do agree that Sigma has been getting very good over the past few years. In the past, it was often dismissed, but now it rivals "the big boys." And I guess it has to make an overengineered lens to compete against the "regular" 50mm lenses that camera brands are offering

Why does it need to be this big though? It appears to be similar in size to Nikons 85mm f1.4 G

ElJamoquio · 01-08-2014, 01:30 PM

Looks bigger to me! Dunno. I think they're trying to over-correct... but I'm guessing it will be a top-notch lens. We'll see.

macTak · 01-08-2014, 03:41 PM

Based on the pictures, Sigma seems to be taking the nickname Bigma to heart more generally....

LFLee · 01-08-2014, 04:47 PM

PENTAX not interested in fast glasses (see the new DA35 and DA50), and those who produce fast glass not interest in K-mount.

o.0 ... not good.

The 18-35 is like taking forever to arrive for K-mount.

Uluru · 01-08-2014, 06:24 PM

Same as Ricoh Imaging thinks in terms, financial years and budgets, Sigma, Tamron et al think in similar terms as well.

So if for the FY 2013 all of the parties — based on mutual communication — knew Ricoh Imaging is working on technologies that will be introduced only very late in that year (the K-3) to refresh its camera lineup and more products to come in the following year (2014), it is very probable that we shall see more commitment from Sigma and Tamron after the April 1st 2014 when such commitment was budgeted for.

Unlike users with unrealistic expectations, companies do tend to think in broader cycles and longer terms because they don't have endless resources and unlimited manufacturing capabilities.

**jeffshaddix** · 01-08-2014, 09:18 PM

I wonder if the aspherical element will create onion bokeh highlights like the current Sigma 50/1.4, or if they learned how constuct the element differently like Samyang with their 85/1.4 (smooth bokeh highlights).

I'm glad Sigma is brave enough to try these new lens designs, it's good to see more options on the market. Now if only they made a 58/1.4 sonnar.

gazonk · 01-09-2014, 03:37 AM

That's a monster lens! According to Imaging Resource: Dimensions (L x D): 100 x 85 mm (3.9 x 3.4 in.), Weight: 470 g (1.04 lb) - and 77mm filter thread!!

That's more than 2x the weight and 4.6x the volume of the FA50/1.4! It's even 2.2x the volume of the DA55/1.4 (but it "only" weighs 95 grams more). And it's 3.5x the volume of the A50/1.2...

eurostar · 01-09-2014, 03:55 AM

Originally posted by LFLee

PENTAX not interested in fast glasses (see the new DA35 and DA50), and those who produce fast glass not interest in K-mount.

o.0 ... not good.

So... F/1,8 is slow glass, and F/1,4 is fast? It's just half a stop of difference.

Uluru · 01-09-2014, 04:14 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by eurostar

So... F/1,8 is slow glass, and F/1,4 is fast? It's just half a stop of difference.

If you take many assertion posted on forums as any measure of common sense, or even remote resemblance to any photographic knowledge, your circuits with evaporate in no time.

eyeswideshut · 01-09-2014, 05:07 AM

Originally posted by eurostar

So... F/1,8 is slow glass, and F/1,4 is fast? It's just half a stop of difference.

Boys will be boys and faster is always better just like a muscle car beats any other even if you just deliver a pizza...

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01-08-2014, 01:10 PM	#61
auricle Forum Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Otradnoe, Moscow Posts: 65	Originally posted by ogl They said the same about new 30/1.4. But still no new Sigma 30/1.4 for Pentax. It's standard answer. I think. How long ago did they give that answer?

01-08-2014, 01:19 PM	#63
ElJamoquio Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 4,873	Originally posted by ogl But no version for Pentax. Even in the future. Is there any sense of discussing this lens? Sigma replied that eventually there would be a Pentax lens (how it was interpreted here).

01-08-2014, 01:22 PM	#64
Na Horuk Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Slovenia, probably Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 11,186	I think the main reason Pentax isn't making a 50mm f1.2 is AF. At f1.2 the AF would be unreliable, not to mention DoF would be so thin that even a slight shift between the focus confirm and shutter action could cause things to go OoF. This would be bad news for Pentax, because a lot of users would once again blame the AF system (often pointed out as Pentax' weak point) or the lens being unsharp, rather than learn how to use the two. Well, this, and the fact that f1.2 is a niche lens and wouldn't sell as many units as a trusty DA 50mm f1.8. And regarding some of the comments, of course there are lenses larger than this new Sigma. But how many of them are 50mm f1.4? (not counting medium format lenses ) But I do agree that Sigma has been getting very good over the past few years. In the past, it was often dismissed, but now it rivals "the big boys." And I guess it has to make an overengineered lens to compete against the "regular" 50mm lenses that camera brands are offering

01-08-2014, 01:27 PM	#65
Wired Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Edmonton, AB Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 2,519	I'm fine with plastic barrels and other external construction for weight savings, and modern polys are pretty decent. However, plastic internals does scare me as I would worry about premature wear or the general longevity of the lens. All that being said, I much prefer a full metal construction as I have dropped lenses in the past and I do prefer them not to crack or brake. I've only dropped my M200f4 in cold weather and had no concern, but I fear if I dropped my DA*50-135 what would happen.

01-08-2014, 01:28 PM	#66
Wired Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Edmonton, AB Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 2,519	Originally posted by Na Horuk And regarding some of the comments, of course there are lenses larger than this new Sigma. But how many of them are 50mm f1.4? (not counting medium format lenses ) But I do agree that Sigma has been getting very good over the past few years. In the past, it was often dismissed, but now it rivals "the big boys." And I guess it has to make an overengineered lens to compete against the "regular" 50mm lenses that camera brands are offering Why does it need to be this big though? It appears to be similar in size to Nikons 85mm f1.4 G

01-08-2014, 01:30 PM	#67
ElJamoquio Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 4,873	Looks bigger to me! Dunno. I think they're trying to over-correct... but I'm guessing it will be a top-notch lens. We'll see.

01-08-2014, 03:41 PM	#68
macTak Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Photos: Gallery Posts: 759 Original Poster	Based on the pictures, Sigma seems to be taking the nickname Bigma to heart more generally....

01-08-2014, 04:47 PM	#69
LFLee Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Southern California Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 2,292	PENTAX not interested in fast glasses (see the new DA35 and DA50), and those who produce fast glass not interest in K-mount. o.0 ... not good. The 18-35 is like taking forever to arrive for K-mount.

01-08-2014, 06:24 PM	#70
Uluru Banned Join Date: May 2010 Location: Back to my Walkabout Creek Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 2,535	Same as Ricoh Imaging thinks in terms, financial years and budgets, Sigma, Tamron et al think in similar terms as well. So if for the FY 2013 all of the parties — based on mutual communication — knew Ricoh Imaging is working on technologies that will be introduced only very late in that year (the K-3) to refresh its camera lineup and more products to come in the following year (2014), it is very probable that we shall see more commitment from Sigma and Tamron after the April 1st 2014 when such commitment was budgeted for. Unlike users with unrealistic expectations, companies do tend to think in broader cycles and longer terms because they don't have endless resources and unlimited manufacturing capabilities.

01-08-2014, 09:18 PM	#71
jeffshaddix Site Supporter Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Colorado Posts: 1,473	I wonder if the aspherical element will create onion bokeh highlights like the current Sigma 50/1.4, or if they learned how constuct the element differently like Samyang with their 85/1.4 (smooth bokeh highlights). I'm glad Sigma is brave enough to try these new lens designs, it's good to see more options on the market. Now if only they made a 58/1.4 sonnar.

01-09-2014, 03:37 AM	#72
gazonk Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Oslo area, Norway Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 3,746	That's a monster lens! According to Imaging Resource: Dimensions (L x D): 100 x 85 mm (3.9 x 3.4 in.), Weight: 470 g (1.04 lb) - and 77mm filter thread!! That's more than 2x the weight and 4.6x the volume of the FA50/1.4! It's even 2.2x the volume of the DA55/1.4 (but it "only" weighs 95 grams more). And it's 3.5x the volume of the A50/1.2...

01-09-2014, 03:55 AM	#73
eurostar Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Albareto, Italy Photos: Gallery Posts: 819	Originally posted by LFLee PENTAX not interested in fast glasses (see the new DA35 and DA50), and those who produce fast glass not interest in K-mount. o.0 ... not good. So... F/1,8 is slow glass, and F/1,4 is fast? It's just half a stop of difference.

01-09-2014, 04:14 AM - 1 Like	#74
Uluru Banned Join Date: May 2010 Location: Back to my Walkabout Creek Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 2,535	Originally posted by eurostar So... F/1,8 is slow glass, and F/1,4 is fast? It's just half a stop of difference. If you take many assertion posted on forums as any measure of common sense, or even remote resemblance to any photographic knowledge, your circuits with evaporate in no time.

01-09-2014, 05:07 AM	#75
eyeswideshut Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: Hamburg Posts: 287	Originally posted by eurostar So... F/1,8 is slow glass, and F/1,4 is fast? It's just half a stop of difference. Boys will be boys and faster is always better just like a muscle car beats any other even if you just deliver a pizza...