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01-10-2014, 12:59 PM   #106
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QuoteOriginally posted by Sinister Quote
saw the 35 in store today... no matter how good it is, it is way too big....
Way too big for what?

I have older Pentax Lenses that weigh more and I carry them around all day.

Unless you're a Mountaineer that has to weigh everything, I really don't see how a normal healthy person would not be able to handle it.

Maybe I'm just showing my age but boy, Some lenses people carried around in the film days were much heavier than this.

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You're certainly right, I have lenses which are heavier, too. However, in relation to the expected usage, it'd be too heavy for travelling and to take with me on motorcycle trips. I used to have the EF35/2 for the 5D - that was one fine lense....
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Too big for what?

Back in the day if you were carrying a 1.5 lb prime you handling some very unique glass (even the 85* 1.4 is a nearly a quarter pound lighter). In 1980, at about 1.5 lbs I had 2 primes (50,28) and a consumer tele zoom (80-200) and that was my entire kit.
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Way too big for what?
For hand carrying all day. I don't use a strap.
For the focal length
For nice balance on my Pentax DLSR without a grip

Earlier in the thread someone suggested these beautifully sharp, and heavy lenses are for the viewer and not the shooter. I guess if I was getting paid for my images that would make sense. Because it would be work lugging these lenses around. But photography for me is mostly for my enjoyment.

Of course everyone has their own needs and where their tradeoff points are.
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Honestly, the size of the lens is not a concern to me. Although I understand that many people highly value that Pentax makes very small lenses so I see where people are coming from in their critique of the size of the sigma.

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QuoteOriginally posted by Corto-PA Quote
Way too big for what?

I have older Pentax Lenses that weigh more and I carry them around all day.

Unless you're a Mountaineer that has to weigh everything, I really don't see how a normal healthy person would not be able to handle it.

Maybe I'm just showing my age but boy, Some lenses people carried around in the film days were much heavier than this.
I carry K-5 with 3 or 4 primes in a shoulder bag every day. 3 or 4 primes that heavy certainly would make that bag uncomfortable.
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The lens I'm really hoping Sigma will release for K mount is the new 24-105 f4 which has been favorably compared to the cannon L zoom. FF too.
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Still waiting for the new 30/1.4... the fastest normal prime for APS-C and they don't release it for the mount where it would have the least competition (1.5 stops faster than the fastest normal prime available)...

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QuoteOriginally posted by Boris_Akunin Quote
Still waiting for the new 30/1.4... the fastest normal prime for APS-C they don't release it for the mount where it would have the least competition (1.5 stops faster than the fastest normal prime available)...
hear - hear - I agree the 30 f1.4 would also be a very popular lens with the pentax crowd!

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I wonder where all this will end, this clamouring for sharpness at all apertures across the frame. So in the last 18 months we have seen the arrival of Sigma Arts 35 & 50, Zeiss Otus 55, all massive, all heavy, all basically oversized for 35mm. Forgot to mention the Nikon 58 but that is a lens that will get slated by every idiot on the net who does not own or use one and only judges a lens worth based on scores. There have been issues seen already with AF on the Art 35 with varying degrees of BF or FF, which could point to QC on a complicated optical layout which the Art 50 complicates even more. The Otus will be magnificient, MF only but I would hate to see the results of a portrait at any aperture of anyone who is older than say 25, without a perfect complexion and if female easily shocked by how much facial hair is on show. Lenses can be too sharp for their own good sometimes and this new Sigma and the Otus will surely prove it.

All the more reason to appreciate the absolute genius of the original Limiteds, 43 and 77, small, tactile, sharp enough, bags of charactor and proof that you don't need macro levels of definition from MFD to Infinity.

Saying that, I might actually get one of these Sigma 50s if they arrive in K land. If only to compare against my DA*55 and A50 f/1.2 which are fast enough, not zoom sized and allow me to choose a bit of softness over sharpness or art over science depending on your point of view.
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QuoteOriginally posted by eyeswideshut Quote
Boys will be boys and faster is always better just like a muscle car beats any other even if you just deliver a pizza...
I have a Peugeot 205 GTI as my fun drive, small, light, biggish engine. Enough room for a pizza , where I live and the roads I use, any supercar or muscle car would not see which way it went. Being too big can slow you down
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QuoteOriginally posted by robbiec Quote
I wonder where all this will end, this clamouring for sharpness at all apertures across the frame. So in the last 18 months we have seen the arrival of Sigma Arts 35 & 50, Zeiss Otus 55, all massive, all heavy, all basically oversized for 35mm. Forgot to mention the Nikon 58 but that is a lens that will get slated by every idiot on the net who does not own or use one and only judges a lens worth based on scores. There have been issues seen already with AF on the Art 35 with varying degrees of BF or FF, which could point to QC on a complicated optical layout which the Art 50 complicates even more. The Otus will be magnificient, MF only but I would hate to see the results of a portrait at any aperture of anyone who is older than say 25, without a perfect complexion and if female easily shocked by how much facial hair is on show. Lenses can be too sharp for their own good sometimes and this new Sigma and the Otus will surely prove it.

All the more reason to appreciate the absolute genius of the original Limiteds, 43 and 77, small, tactile, sharp enough, bags of charactor and proof that you don't need macro levels of definition from MFD to Infinity.

Saying that, I might actually get one of these Sigma 50s if they arrive in K land. If only to compare against my DA*55 and A50 f/1.2 which are fast enough, not zoom sized and allow me to choose a bit of softness over sharpness or art over science depending on your point of view.
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Fully agree and for a bit of fun along these lines check this:

The myths of sharpness - 'old' glass, German v Japan v Thailand, 'rare dangerous coatings' etc: Sony Alpha/NEX E-mount Talk Forum: Digital Photography Review

basically the guy sings the praises of otus & co. only to conclude that:

" Until I started using these lenses I never once found it necessary to use these tools in LR (clarity reduction, sharpness reduction and skin softening). Now more than 90% of my post work is underemphasis of resolution and clarity as these lenses show way more than most women can tolerate seeing in their photos."

Great. Spends 4000 bucks on an Otus and winds up spending 90% of his time in post. The irony is lost on him though...
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QuoteOriginally posted by robbiec Quote
I have a Peugeot 205 GTI as my fun drive, small, light, biggish engine. Enough room for a pizza , where I live and the roads I use, any supercar or muscle car would not see which way it went. Being too big can slow you down
Cool car, and a little rocket on wheels. Mine's a Peugeot too - alas a 407 station wagon :-(
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QuoteOriginally posted by Boris_Akunin Quote
Still waiting for the new 30/1.4... the fastest normal prime for APS-C and they don't release it for the mount where it would have the least competition (1.5 stops faster than the fastest normal prime available)...
FA 31mm f/1.8?
Sigma 35mm f/1.4?
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QuoteOriginally posted by Cannikin Quote
FA 31mm f/1.8?
Sigma 35mm f/1.4?
Right, sorry. I was thinking of cheap options.
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QuoteOriginally posted by tram57 Quote
hear - hear - I agree the 30 f1.4 would also be a very popular lens with the pentax crowd!
I'm sure that must not be true. If the previous version had sold well, I'm sure they would have released the updated version too.

The logic for why it should sell well is obvious: the comparable competition from Pentax costs triple (FA31) or is significantly slower and still more expensive (DA35 Ltd, now HD35 Ltd). Apparently reality didn't align with analysis. I'm sure the Sigma salespeople were similarly baffled.
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