Forgot Password
Pentax Camera Forums Home
 

Reply
Show Printable Version Search this Thread
01-21-2014, 04:21 PM   #151
Pentaxian
dcshooter's Avatar

Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Washington DC
Photos: Gallery | Albums
Posts: 4,338
99% of all photographs have always been crap. Ever looked through any pre-digital family photo album not belonging to a pro photographer?

It's just cheaper to make photos now, so there is nothing standing in the way of unlimited bad photos. They're not going away.



QuoteOriginally posted by Uluru Quote
I totally agree. The photography camera market breathes, expands and contracts, redefines itself, and it is quite certain that in very near future the P&S Pointless and Shoot mentality won't be a fad.


01-21-2014, 04:24 PM   #152
Pentaxian
dcshooter's Avatar

Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Washington DC
Photos: Gallery | Albums
Posts: 4,338
QuoteOriginally posted by fuent104 Quote
, Olympus is doing some great things...like offering fast lenses, and even better in-body stabilization.

Many industry observers predict that 1 or 2 years form now, Olympus won't exist. When you are a smaller player, establishing a niche and prioritizing stable growth can be a much better course than trying to hit home runs with every product.
01-21-2014, 04:30 PM   #153
Pentaxian
dcshooter's Avatar

Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Washington DC
Photos: Gallery | Albums
Posts: 4,338
QuoteOriginally posted by Clavius Quote

Just an example. In my case it was the high quality, durability and affordability in a small package. They were long famed for that. But suddenly they stopped all progress in that area. Who would have guessed Pentax would let that niche be taken over by a different brand?
Really? That seems to be exactly the niche they are filling in the SLR space. Show me a Nikon or Canon that is as full featured and compact as the K-3.


QuoteOriginally posted by Clavius Quote
Is it? The K-3 has high IQ... but not the highest. It is compact... but not the most compact. It's innovative, but not the most innovative. It has a good bang for the buck, but not the best.
Your last sentence is contradicted by your first two. No other camera has high image quality, build, size, and innovative features across the board like the K-3 in its class. For a photographer looking to invest in a camera, B+ grades across the board is better than an A in one area and Cs to Fs in others.
01-21-2014, 05:32 PM   #154
Site Supporter
Eric Auer's Avatar

Join Date: Jul 2012
Photos: Albums
Posts: 861
QuoteOriginally posted by dcshooter Quote
For a photographer looking to invest in a camera, B+ grades across the board is better than an A in one area and Cs to Fs in others.
Faulty generalization - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

01-21-2014, 05:44 PM   #155
Senior Member




Join Date: Nov 2013
Posts: 210
QuoteOriginally posted by dcshooter Quote
Many industry observers predict that 1 or 2 years form now, Olympus won't exist. When you are a smaller player, establishing a niche and prioritizing stable growth can be a much better course than trying to hit home runs with every product.
1- or 2-years is short to see Olympus go under, imo. One example is Pentax. They've survived the debacle in recent years, which nobody but few predicted. Olympus has got through the most serious moment of book-cooking with the help of two big banks, Mitsui-Sumitomo and Tokyo-Mitsubishi UFJ, which would be impossible in the Western standard. I don't think Olympus is healthy in terms of financial performance, but as long as banks support them, Olympus would have some room to breathe. That's the way the Japanese does business. There are a bunch of the so-called "zombie companies" here.
01-22-2014, 02:34 AM   #156
Pentaxian
RonHendriks1966's Avatar

Join Date: Jan 2009
Photos: Gallery
Posts: 8,673
Original Poster
QuoteOriginally posted by Daikokuya Quote
1- or 2-years is short to see Olympus go under, imo. One example is Pentax. They've survived the debacle in recent years, which nobody but few predicted. Olympus has got through the most serious moment of book-cooking with the help of two big banks, Mitsui-Sumitomo and Tokyo-Mitsubishi UFJ, which would be impossible in the Western standard. I don't think Olympus is healthy in terms of financial performance, but as long as banks support them, Olympus would have some room to breathe. That's the way the Japanese does business. There are a bunch of the so-called "zombie companies" here.
Oohh I don't know if 1- or 2-years is a short term. Not to say that it is Olympus going under, but there will be victims in this periode until the end of 2015. Olympus had the bad periode in a time that the cameramarket was still growing. But now the cameramarket is still shrinking looking for its new natural level off sales in different markets (dslr, milc, P&S, etc). That market is going to be considderable smaller then the market was in 2013 and that was only 50 % off the market in 2011.
01-22-2014, 05:02 AM   #157
Senior Member




Join Date: Nov 2013
Posts: 210
QuoteOriginally posted by RonHendriks1966 Quote
Oohh I don't know if 1- or 2-years is a short term. Not to say that it is Olympus going under, but there will be victims in this periode until the end of 2015. Olympus had the bad periode in a time that the cameramarket was still growing. But now the cameramarket is still shrinking looking for its new natural level off sales in different markets (dslr, milc, P&S, etc). That market is going to be considderable smaller then the market was in 2013 and that was only 50 % off the market in 2011.
I think that market force doesn't matter for Olympus to ditch camera business. "doesn't matter" may be too strong, but Olympus has a reason not to have to take loss in camera business so seriously. As you know, Olympus is making money by medical equipment, especially the endoscope that Olympus has a 75% share in the market. Then why doesn't Olympus just give up camera and concentrate on medical equipment? The reason can be summarized by two: lens technology can be applied to the development of endoscope, and retail camera business is useful as an advertisement for Olympus. That's why Olympus isn't sensitive to the loss in camera, which is reinforced by the strong support of two of the top three banks in Japan.
01-22-2014, 05:38 AM   #158
Loyal Site Supporter
monochrome's Avatar

Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Kirkwood (St. Louis) MO
Photos: Gallery | Albums
Posts: 19,997
Slothful Induction - Wikipedia


01-22-2014, 05:50 AM - 1 Like   #159
Senior Member




Join Date: May 2013
Posts: 198
I also heard rumors that Sony will scale back its consumer products division, and that its most profitable business is insurance; and that Panasonic will be getting out of the camera industry.
01-22-2014, 06:16 AM - 1 Like   #160
Pentaxian
Clavius's Avatar

Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: De Klundert
Photos: Gallery
Posts: 4,118
QuoteOriginally posted by dcshooter Quote
Really? That seems to be exactly the niche they are filling in the SLR space. Show me a Nikon or Canon that is as full featured and compact as the K-3.
Those are some strict rules there. No, no Nikon or Canon. And no SLR either. I can show you something that is much more compact and packed with more punch then the K-3 though? From a brand who wasn't afraid of innovation. Tell me, do consumers abide by the don't-compare-apples-with-oranges-rules too? Because then I am in very serious violation and need to bring some gear back to the store right away.
01-22-2014, 07:38 AM - 1 Like   #161
Inactive Account




Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: New Orleans
Photos: Gallery
Posts: 3,053
QuoteOriginally posted by Kenntak Quote
I also heard rumors that Sony will scale back its consumer products division, and that its most profitable business is insurance; and that Panasonic will be getting out of the camera industry.
Panasonic is retreating from consumer products on many fronts - Plasma TVs, Cell Phones, and compact camera divisions are all either in the process of shutting down or scaling back. They haven't said anything yet about their u43 business although they did announce new products in that line recently.

Sony's agenda in the camera business is much different than Pentax, Canon, Nikon, Olympus, Fuji, or just about anyone else. They want to push the industry in terms of electronics because they sell components like sensors, microprocessors, and LCDs, and other chips to everyone else in the industry and they are happy to sell or license virtually anything they put into their camera to their competitors. In the consumer realm, they will continue to be Sony and doing what Sony does in all of their consumer electronic lines - selling a solid but somewhat quirky product with a couple premium features (like a Zeiss lens), a couple gimmicky features (like panorama), and a couple of quirky features (like memory stick or SLT) at an ultra premium price.
01-22-2014, 08:26 AM   #162
Pentaxian




Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Romania
Posts: 8,840
QuoteOriginally posted by Clavius Quote
I can show you something that is much more compact and packed with more punch then the K-3 though?
Can you? And if you can find one or two examples, what would it prove? That Pentax is not pursuing "high quality, durability and affordability in a small package"? Definitely not, because they are - and it's seen in their products. OTOH, can you say that a company which mainly makes cheap viewfinderless cameras and one or two that fits those requirements is pursuing those ideals?
01-22-2014, 03:28 PM   #163
Senior Member




Join Date: Nov 2013
Posts: 210
QuoteOriginally posted by Kenntak Quote
I also heard rumors that Sony will scale back its consumer products division, and that its most profitable business is insurance; and that Panasonic will be getting out of the camera industry.
Sony's most profitable division is finance including insurance and bank. Sure it is. Without it, Sony would be in a big trouble because manufacturing is bleeding.
01-22-2014, 03:41 PM   #164
Pentaxian
Uluru's Avatar

Join Date: May 2010
Location: Back to my Walkabout Creek
Photos: Gallery | Albums
Posts: 2,524
QuoteOriginally posted by Daikokuya Quote
Sony's most profitable division is finance including insurance and bank. Sure it is. Without it, Sony would be in a big trouble because manufacturing is bleeding.
More precisely, overproduction is bleeding. Manufacturing is tied to unrealistic goals, that's all.
Many should learn a lesson or two from Ricoh Imaging and Leica, when it comes to production estimates of cameras at least.
01-22-2014, 03:47 PM   #165
Den
Veteran Member
Den's Avatar

Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Washington (State)
Posts: 928
So if Pentax came out with a FF, what difference would it make to you? Would you make bigger prints? Would you sell more? Would your ego be more fulfilled? Would you feel more accepted as a pro? Just curious, as I too would probably get one, just for the hell of it in my case.
Reply

Bookmarks
  • Submit Thread to Facebook Facebook
  • Submit Thread to Twitter Twitter
  • Submit Thread to Digg Digg
Tags - Make this thread easier to find by adding keywords to it!
business, camera, europe, k-3, market, pentax, pentax news, pentax rumors, photographers, pictures, ricoh, sales
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Ned's back! (but Retires from Pentax Ricoh Imaging Americas) Ishpuini Pentax News and Rumors 12 06-20-2014 03:05 PM
Ricoh Imaging expected to make a profit in this FY Kunzite Pentax News and Rumors 39 10-31-2013 12:46 AM
Ricoh announces company name change - no more Pentax Ricoh Imaging, just Ricoh. rawr Pentax News and Rumors 528 10-28-2013 04:39 PM
Plenty of FA lenses on new Ricoh Imaging Website Uluru Pentax News and Rumors 131 08-13-2013 01:45 PM
Nature My DA 55-300mm arrived today. Here's a few of it's first shots. coachteeter Post Your Photos! 6 05-02-2010 10:22 PM



All times are GMT -7. The time now is 03:44 AM. | See also: NikonForums.com, CanonForums.com part of our network of photo forums!
  • Red (Default)
  • Green
  • Gray
  • Dark
  • Dark Yellow
  • Dark Blue
  • Old Red
  • Old Green
  • Old Gray
  • Dial-Up Style
Hello! It's great to see you back on the forum! Have you considered joining the community?
register
Creating a FREE ACCOUNT takes under a minute, removes ads, and lets you post! [Dismiss]
Top