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01-27-2014, 05:12 PM   #181
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Thank you for the interesting report, Ron!

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How about a "smart grip" that incorporates all the radios and antennas of a smart phone and has a processor capable of running android.
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QuoteOriginally posted by JimmyDranox Quote
It does not need that connectivity and camera to start all at once. Camera can start in an instant, and, wile you take the pictures, wifi and others features can start as well.
I don't think it will, Jimmy. In Android the camera is an app and loads after the OS. This is a problem of implementing in software.
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QuoteOriginally posted by mikemike Quote
How about a "smart grip" that incorporates all the radios and antennas of a smart phone and has a processor capable of running android.
No need for Android to do this. But a "simple" connectivity grip isn't a bad idea, indeed.

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No need for Android to do this. But a "simple" connectivity grip isn't a bad idea, indeed.
Something like a FluCard for Pentax on steroids then?
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I can't comment on the Pentax Flucard of course, but if the Pentax Flucard works just as "good" as the regular Flucard, Eye-fi, Transcend wireless cards, then they really do need in-camera connectivity. And preferably not in a seperate grip; not for functionality that can easily fit in the camera itself. We've arrived in 2014, photographers that want connectivity don't want to spend time on fidgetting around with setting up networks, network ID's, passwords, handshakes etc... They want to take a picture and edit it on their tablet, or share it. Take Near Field Commication as an example: The user just bangs two devices together and they're connected.
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QuoteOriginally posted by monochrome Quote
Something like a FluCard for Pentax on steroids then?
If you want yes. But it could provide more: battery life obviously. But Wifi, 3G/4G, GPS, HDMI, tethering ...

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QuoteOriginally posted by Clavius Quote
We've arrived in 2014, photographers that want connectivity don't want to spend time on fidgetting around with setting up networks, network ID's, passwords, handshakes etc... They want to take a picture and edit it on their tablet, or share it. Take Near Field Commication as an example: The user just bangs two devices together and they're connected.
Maybe in EU, but here I don't trust auto-DNS and WPA-2 for security.

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The user just bangs two devices together and they're connected.
Banging two Android phones together is a cute trick for a middle schooler. Not on my Wi-Fi Network.

Once I set up my Eye-Fi cards for my first Q I was astonished to just shove them in my K-3 and instantly the Wi-Fi icon appeared and the camera (well, the card) connected to my Network.

You can be sure the first time a 'connected' camera comes out of the box it will need to be set up with passwords, Network ID's, protocols, router and gateway addresses for the network and for the Hotspot Wi-Fi of the tablet when away from the network. You can bet cellular account infomration will be necessary for roaming uploads to the cloud.
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If you want yes. But it could provide more: battery life obviously. But Wifi, 3G/4G, GPS, HDMI, tethering ...
I guess those are the steroids I meant
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QuoteOriginally posted by monochrome Quote
Banging two Android phones together is a cute trick for a middle schooler. Not on my Wi-Fi Network.
I didn't want to mention it but if you put it like THAT: NFC works really very well with the A7 and Xperia Z1. Bang them together and presto: connectivity. It even enables the use of the Xperia as a detached liveview display, triggering the shutter, etc... All without any fidgetting with wireless setting, passwords, wireless ID's, etc.
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QuoteOriginally posted by mikemike Quote
How about a "smart grip" that incorporates all the radios and antennas of a smart phone and has a processor capable of running android.
I like that idea... !!
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QuoteOriginally posted by Clavius Quote
I didn't want to mention it but if you put it like THAT: NFC works really very well with the A7 and Xperia Z1. Bang them together and presto: connectivity. It even enables the use of the Xperia as a detached liveview display, triggering the shutter, etc... All without any fidgetting with wireless setting, passwords, wireless ID's, etc.
Near Field Connection only works when it works - and even then only when it does. Of course, except when you don't want it to - then it works fine!!

The interfacing is the security. I don't want my stuff connectiing to some dude's stuff I passed by on the sidewalk.

I don't need any help connecting my devices to one another the way I want them connected and I certainly don't need my camera to connect to anything with a tap. I can quickly and easily connect to what I want when I want, securely, all by myself. Doesn't take as long as connecting my car to my garage door opener - that's for sure!

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About Android, there's this very pertinent joke:
"-Knock, knock!
-Who's there?
(very long pause)
-Java!"
Android means Java, and because of it I had to buy a new phone because 512 RAM and 1GHz processor weren't enough to fluently display a GUI - and was getting slower by the day; and then there's the battery life. I won't have it in my camera, period.

My phone is a Sony running Android, by the way (no rootkit detected so far ).
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QuoteOriginally posted by Kunzite Quote
About Android, there's this very pertinent joke:
"-Knock, knock!
-Who's there?
(very long pause)
-Java!"
Android means Java, and because of it I had to buy a new phone because 512 RAM and 1GHz processor weren't enough to fluently display a GUI - and was getting slower by the day; and then there's the battery life. I won't have it in my camera, period.

My phone is a Sony running Android, by the way (no rootkit detected so far ).
Not entirely true... Android is not just JAVA...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Android_(operating_system)

Android is based on Linux kernel... the apps are mainly developed on JAVA. The middleware is C.
Look for the "Software stack" on that page for a more detailed explanation on how it works.


edit...

The ONLY phone (as far as I know) that is pure Linux based is the Ubuntu phone...

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QuoteOriginally posted by monochrome Quote
Near Field Connection only works when it works - and even then only when it does. Of course, except when you don't want it to - then it works fine!!

The interfacing is the security. I don't want my stuff connectiing to some dude's stuff I passed by on the sidewalk.

I don't need any help connecting my devices to one another the way I want them connected and I certainly don't need my camera to connect to anything with a tap. I can quickly and easily connect to what I want when I want, securely, all by myself. Doesn't take as long as connecting my car to my garage door opener - that's for sure!
NFC hasn't failed me yet. I tried both the Eyefi and the generic Flucard, while they do work, they also make me want to pop a vein a in my brain. It's a tedious, time consuming fidgety process. Takes me away from taking picture far to long. Worrying about people snooping around in my SD is the least of my worries. I'm not in the habit of taking embarrassing selfies.
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