Three rumors of new Ricoh Pentax products in CP+ 2014

bdery · 01-30-2014, 05:55 AM

Originally posted by DSims

I'm afraid you mean slower aperture, unfortunately. Now it's an f/4.5 lens.

with f2.8 at the wide end.

Originally posted by DSims

People argue that a variable aperture lens doesn't have to be inferior (in IQ), but in practice it usually is.

There is no optical/physical reason for this, quite the contrary. Take the various iterations of the Sigma 17-70, always offering f2.8 at the wide end. They are comparable, and always slightly better, than the Pentax 17-70.

Mistral75 · 01-30-2014, 06:00 AM

Originally posted by ogl

Specs of K-60, K-600 and K-L from French site is a dream of user. And nothing else.

Indeed, and stated as such: "Sous ce temps gris je joue à Elizabeth fille de madame Soleil.

" = "By this dull weather I'm playing Elizabeth, daughter of Madame Soleil

" [a French astrologer http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madame_Soleil]

Le prochain reflex Pentax sera rétro.

It's so funny the way the rumour is self-spreading over the Internet.

raider · 01-30-2014, 06:14 AM

Why make the 18-70 when we have the 18-135 already? Why not make a 16-85 or 15-85 or something? That will really be a nice range ......

wed7 · 01-30-2014, 06:28 AM

I'm still dreaming for a probable ~18-70 f2.8 since the 20-40 is rather er... Limited
:-P

VoiceOfReason · 01-30-2014, 07:35 AM

135-400 WR DC in the ~650 range would be nice. Then I'd have to get a second body for hiking. If they did the 12-28 in WR....

lytrytyr · 01-30-2014, 08:40 AM

Originally posted by DSims

$550 was an unusually high price which briefly appeared when a few New Old Stock FA20-35s were found.

No, that price was fixed for quite a while
(I'd been tracking it, before deciding to wait for the DA Ltd zoom).

It was a much lower price than the USD 850
being asked on the Pentax-Ricoh Japanese webstore
right up until later in 2013.

More realistically, for the Japanese market, the last review (9/25/13) of the lens here

SMC Pentax-FA 20-35mm F4 AL Reviews - FA Zoom Lenses - Pentax Lens Reviews & Lens Database

states: "So if you want, you can get it new for about [USD] 500 as of this moment, but of course no USA warranty will come with it."

**monochrome** · 01-30-2014, 08:45 AM

I noted when DA20~40 was first announced there were two FA20~35 copies available in St. Louis NIB for $665 at a B&M Dealer. They were NOS at the original Dealer-Listed price, and they disappeared within a week.

**seventysixersfan** · 01-30-2014, 08:57 AM

Originally posted by raider

Why make the 18-70 when we have the 18-135 already? Why not make a 16-85 or 15-85 or something? That will really be a nice range ......

I'm with you on this. I'd definitely appreciate a 15-85 zoom lens. A 18-70 would seem to overlap the 18-135 a fair bit, unless the IQ was much better and the aperture range a lot faster.

D1N0 · 01-30-2014, 09:43 AM

I still don't believe 18-70. It's to much like 17-70. Like the sigma 17-70 first model which is also 2.8-4.5. The roadmap implies a longer lens than 70 anyway. A 18-70 will more likely be a new kitlens (3.5-5.6). Which might not be put on the roadmap.

ogl · 01-30-2014, 09:53 AM

Originally posted by D1N0

I still don't believe 18-70. It's to much like 17-70. Like the sigma 17-70 first model which is also 2.8-4.5. The roadmap implies a longer lens than 70 anyway. A 18-70 will more likely be a new kitlens (3.5-5.6). Which might not be put on the roadmap.

17-70/4 will be discontinued.

ChristianRock · 01-30-2014, 09:57 AM

A 15-60 would probably be doable (4x zoom).
In the end, they decided on 2.8-4.5 and they reduced the wide end a little bit. It better be good... but if it becomes the new kit lens, then I guess that's a good thing. Pentax has to compete with Fuji and it's 18-55 2.8-4 now, on the XT1 (which I would drool for, if I didn't have Pentax glass that I love already).

**seventysixersfan** · 01-30-2014, 10:40 AM

Originally posted by ChristianRock

A 15-60 would probably be doable (4x zoom). In the end, they decided on 2.8-4.5 and they reduced the wide end a little bit. It better be good..

I'm just hoping that Ricoh/Pentax provides me with a good reason to own both this new zoom and my existing DA 18-135. A 15-60 with f/2.8-4.5 would be really great and give me not too much overlap with other zoom lenses I have. Basically, they should build on the success/popularity of the DA 16-45, by increasing the range and widening the aperture, and of course, ensuring high image quality... Wouldn't even necessarily have to be WR, but a DC motor is almost a necessity at this point.

robjmitchell · 01-30-2014, 01:02 PM - **1 Like**

The 18-70 was originally marked as a * lens on the roadmap. Hoping for a higher end AW lens!

Wired · 01-30-2014, 01:44 PM

only thing in this thread that seems remotely interesting to me are the Tele Converter and the KL. These variable aperture zooms they seem to be releasing should be a constant f4 if they want a "budget" zoom lens. would be much more useful than a 2.8-4.5 or whatever.

D1N0 · 01-30-2014, 01:52 PM

Originally posted by Wired

only thing in this thread that seems remotely interesting to me are the Tele Converter and the KL. These variable aperture zooms they seem to be releasing should be a constant f4 if they want a "budget" zoom lens. would be much more useful than a 2.8-4.5 or whatever.

Variable aperture is not the same as budget. The Sigma 17-70 F2.8-4 performs as well as the DA* 16-50 2.8 optically. The new DA 20-40 is not budget but is F2.8-F4.

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01-30-2014, 05:55 AM	#151
bdery Pentaxian Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Quebec city, Canada Photos: Gallery Posts: 9,357	Originally posted by DSims I'm afraid you mean slower aperture, unfortunately. Now it's an f/4.5 lens. with f2.8 at the wide end. Originally posted by DSims People argue that a variable aperture lens doesn't have to be inferior (in IQ), but in practice it usually is. There is no optical/physical reason for this, quite the contrary. Take the various iterations of the Sigma 17-70, always offering f2.8 at the wide end. They are comparable, and always slightly better, than the Pentax 17-70.

01-30-2014, 06:00 AM	#152
Mistral75 Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Paris, France Posts: 7,526	Originally posted by ogl Specs of K-60, K-600 and K-L from French site is a dream of user. And nothing else. Indeed, and stated as such: "Sous ce temps gris je joue à Elizabeth fille de madame Soleil. " = "By this dull weather I'm playing Elizabeth, daughter of Madame Soleil " [a French astrologer http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madame_Soleil] Le prochain reflex Pentax sera rétro. It's so funny the way the rumour is self-spreading over the Internet.

01-30-2014, 06:14 AM	#153
raider Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Perth, Australia Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,989	Why make the 18-70 when we have the 18-135 already? Why not make a 16-85 or 15-85 or something? That will really be a nice range ......

01-30-2014, 06:28 AM	#154
wed7 Pentaxian Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Manila, Philippines Posts: 1,421	I'm still dreaming for a probable ~18-70 f2.8 since the 20-40 is rather er... Limited :-P

01-30-2014, 07:35 AM	#155
VoiceOfReason Site Supporter Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Mishawaka IN area Photos: Albums Posts: 6,124	135-400 WR DC in the ~650 range would be nice. Then I'd have to get a second body for hiking. If they did the 12-28 in WR....

01-30-2014, 08:40 AM	#156
lytrytyr Pentaxian Join Date: Nov 2011 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 4,310	Originally posted by DSims $550 was an unusually high price which briefly appeared when a few New Old Stock FA20-35s were found. No, that price was fixed for quite a while (I'd been tracking it, before deciding to wait for the DA Ltd zoom). It was a much lower price than the USD 850 being asked on the Pentax-Ricoh Japanese webstore right up until later in 2013. More realistically, for the Japanese market, the last review (9/25/13) of the lens here SMC Pentax-FA 20-35mm F4 AL Reviews - FA Zoom Lenses - Pentax Lens Reviews & Lens Database states: "So if you want, you can get it new for about [USD] 500 as of this moment, but of course no USA warranty will come with it."

01-30-2014, 08:45 AM	#157
monochrome Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Working From Home Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 26,276	I noted when DA20~40 was first announced there were two FA20~35 copies available in St. Louis NIB for $665 at a B&M Dealer. They were NOS at the original Dealer-Listed price, and they disappeared within a week.

01-30-2014, 08:57 AM	#158
seventysixersfan Site Supporter Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Alexandria, VA Posts: 2,054	Originally posted by raider Why make the 18-70 when we have the 18-135 already? Why not make a 16-85 or 15-85 or something? That will really be a nice range ...... I'm with you on this. I'd definitely appreciate a 15-85 zoom lens. A 18-70 would seem to overlap the 18-135 a fair bit, unless the IQ was much better and the aperture range a lot faster.

01-30-2014, 09:43 AM	#159
D1N0 Pentaxian Join Date: May 2012 Location: --- Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,802	I still don't believe 18-70. It's to much like 17-70. Like the sigma 17-70 first model which is also 2.8-4.5. The roadmap implies a longer lens than 70 anyway. A 18-70 will more likely be a new kitlens (3.5-5.6). Which might not be put on the roadmap.

01-30-2014, 09:53 AM	#160
ogl Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Sankt Peterburg Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 8,382	Originally posted by D1N0 I still don't believe 18-70. It's to much like 17-70. Like the sigma 17-70 first model which is also 2.8-4.5. The roadmap implies a longer lens than 70 anyway. A 18-70 will more likely be a new kitlens (3.5-5.6). Which might not be put on the roadmap. 17-70/4 will be discontinued.

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01-30-2014, 09:57 AM	#161
ChristianRock Pentaxian Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: People's Republic of America Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 9,910	A 15-60 would probably be doable (4x zoom). In the end, they decided on 2.8-4.5 and they reduced the wide end a little bit. It better be good... but if it becomes the new kit lens, then I guess that's a good thing. Pentax has to compete with Fuji and it's 18-55 2.8-4 now, on the XT1 (which I would drool for, if I didn't have Pentax glass that I love already).

01-30-2014, 10:40 AM	#162
seventysixersfan Site Supporter Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Alexandria, VA Posts: 2,054	Originally posted by ChristianRock A 15-60 would probably be doable (4x zoom). In the end, they decided on 2.8-4.5 and they reduced the wide end a little bit. It better be good.. I'm just hoping that Ricoh/Pentax provides me with a good reason to own both this new zoom and my existing DA 18-135. A 15-60 with f/2.8-4.5 would be really great and give me not too much overlap with other zoom lenses I have. Basically, they should build on the success/popularity of the DA 16-45, by increasing the range and widening the aperture, and of course, ensuring high image quality... Wouldn't even necessarily have to be WR, but a DC motor is almost a necessity at this point.

01-30-2014, 01:02 PM - 1 Like	#163
robjmitchell Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Melbourne Aus Posts: 1,776	The 18-70 was originally marked as a * lens on the roadmap. Hoping for a higher end AW lens!

01-30-2014, 01:44 PM	#164
Wired Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Edmonton, AB Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 2,519	only thing in this thread that seems remotely interesting to me are the Tele Converter and the KL. These variable aperture zooms they seem to be releasing should be a constant f4 if they want a "budget" zoom lens. would be much more useful than a 2.8-4.5 or whatever.

01-30-2014, 01:52 PM	#165
D1N0 Pentaxian Join Date: May 2012 Location: --- Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,802	Originally posted by Wired only thing in this thread that seems remotely interesting to me are the Tele Converter and the KL. These variable aperture zooms they seem to be releasing should be a constant f4 if they want a "budget" zoom lens. would be much more useful than a 2.8-4.5 or whatever. Variable aperture is not the same as budget. The Sigma 17-70 F2.8-4 performs as well as the DA* 16-50 2.8 optically. The new DA 20-40 is not budget but is F2.8-F4.