K-mount lens roadmap updated

**boriscleto** · 02-06-2014, 11:00 AM

Originally posted by monochrome

Hah hah - everybody would moan about the price!!

They'll moan about the price in any case (Why I said it should include a bottle of K-Y).

cfraz · 02-06-2014, 12:28 PM - **1 Like**

Up until this announcement, I thought (and hoped) Ricoh was doing away with the * designation for the premium line of Pentax lenses. Just doesn't make sense to keep the * when

1) It's linked so closely with the tainted reputation of SDM reliability and slowness,

2) It's not internet search friendly,

3) It's weak branding and just plain awkward:

Suzy - "Look at my new lens, it's a DA asterisk 300."
John - "I thought it was a multiply."
Jerry - "No, it's a star."
George - "Oh, I get it. I was going to get one but I wasn't sure it would work on my camera and I couldn't find the footnote to make sure."

Uluru · 02-06-2014, 12:43 PM - **3 Likes**

Pentax style lens: 77-231/2.7

Mistral75 · 02-06-2014, 01:32 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by Uluru

Pentax style lens: 77-231/2.7

Rather 77-231mm f/2.6-2.9. And people here will start bitching about the aperture not being constant

.

Kozlok · 02-06-2014, 01:36 PM

I'm stunned...6 pages in to a rumor, and no one has said Pentax is doomed? Are we all on sedatives?

Also, looking at the roadmap lenses that have come to pass, they have so far included the whole range of the color band, including the "barely there" bits. I'm betting that's a 15-85. That would be something.

**boriscleto** · 02-06-2014, 01:54 PM

Originally posted by Kozlok

I'm stunned...6 pages in to a rumor, and no one has said Pentax is doomed? Are we all on sedatives?

That's for the tele-converter thread.

$600...Pentax is dooooomed.

**monochrome** · 02-06-2014, 02:35 PM

Originally posted by boriscleto

That's for the tele-converter thread.

$600...Pentax is dooooomed.

The Q08 WIDE ZOOM is $500 and the new Q TELE MACRO is supposedly all metal, 100mm FL‡ and all manner of other rumor stuff - so probs $600+.

PENTAX is a ZOMBIE.

meeverett · 02-06-2014, 02:41 PM

Originally posted by Kozlok

I'm stunned...6 pages in to a rumor, and no one has said Pentax is doomed? Are we all on sedatives?

I started taking daily doses to keep me from taking the FF troll bait every time I encountered it.

DSims · 02-06-2014, 04:45 PM

Originally posted by Kunzite

We know Pentax does not and should not rebadge its * lenses. And that Ricoh is fixing things, not break them further.

I think you mean we'd like to know this. Because the DA*16-50 and DA*50-135 are Tokina rebadges, of course.

Kunzite · 02-06-2014, 05:12 PM

No, they're not; Pentax and Tokina just shared optical designs (and those were from Pentax, IIRC). Everything else was different.

Erd§ · 02-06-2014, 09:25 PM

Originally posted by cfraz

Up until this announcement, I thought (and hoped) Ricoh was doing away with the * designation for the premium line of Pentax lenses.

There has been no "announcement". There is just an indication on the lens roadmap.
And how does anyone know it's not just an ordinary asterisk in place of Ricoh's non-comittal lens designation (ie. DA/FA/DFA - or, dare I say it, possibly a dreaded DFAJ

)?

Craig66 · 02-06-2014, 10:31 PM

Like to see that DA tele zoom 120 ish-380 ish as a F4

+TC would do it for me..

meeverett · 02-06-2014, 10:36 PM

Originally posted by Craig66

Like to see that DA tele zoom 120 ish-380 ish as a F4

+TC would do it for me..

That's what I'm hoping for as well. Although, I don't really have a need for the TC it would be nice to have the option.

Alizarine · 02-06-2014, 10:59 PM

Originally posted by DSims

I think you mean we'd like to know this. Because the DA*16-50 and DA*50-135 are Tokina rebadges, of course.

they're co-designed, not rebadges... as far as I remember.The Tok had a tripod collar, the Pentax had none (but is AW and has SDM)

Mazhe · 02-07-2014, 02:16 AM

Originally posted by Alizarine

they're co-designed, not rebadges... as far as I remember.The Tok had a tripod collar, the Pentax had none (but is AW and has SDM)

The announcements and rumors want they shared optical formulas, not co-developped or co-built anything. Some designs (amongst whom 16-50, 50-135, 100) were from pentax, others (like 12-24) from tokina. They differed notably in AF system and coating (each using its own system). This was a really good thing as SMC was really superior to what tokina had to offer (to be fair, it is their only serious flaw).

Each compagny built their own lenses based on those designs, without help or interference of the others.

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02-06-2014, 11:00 AM	#76
boriscleto Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: North Syracuse, NY Photos: Gallery Posts: 16,475	Originally posted by monochrome Hah hah - everybody would moan about the price!! They'll moan about the price in any case (Why I said it should include a bottle of K-Y).

02-06-2014, 12:28 PM - 1 Like	#77
cfraz Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Oregon, USA Posts: 521	Up until this announcement, I thought (and hoped) Ricoh was doing away with the * designation for the premium line of Pentax lenses. Just doesn't make sense to keep the * when 1) It's linked so closely with the tainted reputation of SDM reliability and slowness, 2) It's not internet search friendly, 3) It's weak branding and just plain awkward: Suzy - "Look at my new lens, it's a DA asterisk 300." John - "I thought it was a multiply." Jerry - "No, it's a star." George - "Oh, I get it. I was going to get one but I wasn't sure it would work on my camera and I couldn't find the footnote to make sure."

02-06-2014, 12:43 PM - 3 Likes	#78
Uluru Banned Join Date: May 2010 Location: Back to my Walkabout Creek Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 2,535	Pentax style lens: 77-231/2.7

02-06-2014, 01:32 PM - 1 Like	#79
Mistral75 Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Paris, France Posts: 7,527	Originally posted by Uluru Pentax style lens: 77-231/2.7 Rather 77-231mm f/2.6-2.9. And people here will start bitching about the aperture not being constant .

02-06-2014, 01:36 PM	#80
Kozlok Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Albuquerque Photos: Gallery Posts: 3,148	I'm stunned...6 pages in to a rumor, and no one has said Pentax is doomed? Are we all on sedatives? Also, looking at the roadmap lenses that have come to pass, they have so far included the whole range of the color band, including the "barely there" bits. I'm betting that's a 15-85. That would be something.

02-06-2014, 01:54 PM	#81
boriscleto Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: North Syracuse, NY Photos: Gallery Posts: 16,475	Originally posted by Kozlok I'm stunned...6 pages in to a rumor, and no one has said Pentax is doomed? Are we all on sedatives? That's for the tele-converter thread. $600...Pentax is dooooomed.

02-06-2014, 02:35 PM	#82
monochrome Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Working From Home Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 26,276	Originally posted by boriscleto That's for the tele-converter thread. $600...Pentax is dooooomed. The Q08 WIDE ZOOM is $500 and the new Q TELE MACRO is supposedly all metal, 100mm FL‡ and all manner of other rumor stuff - so probs $600+. PENTAX is a ZOMBIE.

02-06-2014, 02:41 PM	#83
meeverett Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Maryville, TN Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 128	Originally posted by Kozlok I'm stunned...6 pages in to a rumor, and no one has said Pentax is doomed? Are we all on sedatives? I started taking daily doses to keep me from taking the FF troll bait every time I encountered it.

02-06-2014, 04:45 PM	#84
DSims Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Southern California Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 3,236	Originally posted by Kunzite We know Pentax does not and should not rebadge its * lenses. And that Ricoh is fixing things, not break them further. I think you mean we'd like to know this. Because the DA16-50 and DA50-135 are Tokina rebadges, of course.

02-06-2014, 05:12 PM	#85
Kunzite Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Romania Posts: 15,132	No, they're not; Pentax and Tokina just shared optical designs (and those were from Pentax, IIRC). Everything else was different.

02-06-2014, 09:25 PM	#86
Erd§ Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: SEQ Posts: 323	Originally posted by cfraz Up until this announcement, I thought (and hoped) Ricoh was doing away with the * designation for the premium line of Pentax lenses. There has been no "announcement". There is just an indication on the lens roadmap. And how does anyone know it's not just an ordinary asterisk in place of Ricoh's non-comittal lens designation (ie. DA/FA/DFA - or, dare I say it, possibly a dreaded DFAJ )?

02-06-2014, 10:31 PM	#87
Craig66 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Sapphire Coast. NSW. Posts: 141	Like to see that DA tele zoom 120 ish-380 ish as a F4 +TC would do it for me..

02-06-2014, 10:36 PM	#88
meeverett Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Maryville, TN Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 128	Originally posted by Craig66 Like to see that DA tele zoom 120 ish-380 ish as a F4 +TC would do it for me.. That's what I'm hoping for as well. Although, I don't really have a need for the TC it would be nice to have the option.

02-06-2014, 10:59 PM	#89
Alizarine Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Manila Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 2,185	Originally posted by DSims I think you mean we'd like to know this. Because the DA16-50 and DA50-135 are Tokina rebadges, of course. they're co-designed, not rebadges... as far as I remember.The Tok had a tripod collar, the Pentax had none (but is AW and has SDM)

02-07-2014, 02:16 AM	#90
Mazhe Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2012 Photos: Gallery Posts: 139	Originally posted by Alizarine they're co-designed, not rebadges... as far as I remember.The Tok had a tripod collar, the Pentax had none (but is AW and has SDM) The announcements and rumors want they shared optical formulas, not co-developped or co-built anything. Some designs (amongst whom 16-50, 50-135, 100) were from pentax, others (like 12-24) from tokina. They differed notably in AF system and coating (each using its own system). This was a really good thing as SMC was really superior to what tokina had to offer (to be fair, it is their only serious flaw). Each compagny built their own lenses based on those designs, without help or interference of the others.