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02-06-2014, 01:28 PM   #136
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QuoteOriginally posted by dcshooter Quote
Ah ok,

I was presuming there might be a dedicated optic in it, since it appears quite a bit larger than the old film copier/macro nbellows units I'm used to. I suppose the question then becomes, what is the thread size for the attachment? Stepping down to a 35mm/APS-C format macro should be easy enough, but would stepping up to a 645 macro with its larger filter size lead to cutting off most part of the image?
I don't think so.



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QuoteOriginally posted by Zygonyx Quote
I do prefer angle finder....
This new EVIL type thing is just too fragile... for such a big cam.
Moreover without tripod, it is useless...
Time will tell. I'm not particularly worried.

Besides, those who don't see any interest in it won't use it. And some, if not many, when not convinced upfront, will discover usages and advantages they hadn't thought about.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Zygonyx Quote
I do prefer angle finder....
This new EVIL type thing is just too fragile... for such a big cam.
Moreover without tripod, it is useless...
How do you know this ? The camera is not available yet ?

I generally used my Mamiya medium format with tripod...but I also used it hand held with out difficulty. I had a small level affixed to it so I could quickly ensure things were level.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Wired Quote
thats exciting! would love to see some user shots from the new thing if you pull the trigger. whats your current rig?
Hello Wired,
Been using this baby since 2011 and frankly, I like it better than my previous Leica M8. I wish I had kept my Leica primes but my eyesight isn't what it used to be. I also have MS so the larger body, auto-focus, and a quality tripod is a must-have. Hence, the 645D '2014' would be a dream come true!

http://flic.kr/p/jPdH2e
http://flic.kr/p/jPregt
http://sienavine.smugmug.com/IPhone/i-X76MdhJ/0/X3/CA_02061409172912-X3.jpg


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QuoteOriginally posted by Fl_Gulfer Quote
So will you have to mount the copier to a board or something to keep it from falling over? Or will they be selling a special mount for it separately?
I'm not really sure, but it does look like it has some kind of holes that could be a tripod mount there in the middle of the rail.
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QuoteOriginally posted by meeverett Quote
Originally posted by Fl_Gulfer So will you have to mount the copier to a board or something to keep it from falling over? Or will they be selling a special mount for it separately? I'm not really sure, but it does look like it has some kind of holes that could be a tripod mount there in the middle of the rail.
I sw another photo with the entire rig, including the dedicated flash, mounted to a ballhead on a tripod. IIRC the camera was a K3.
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QuoteOriginally posted by dcshooter Quote
I was presuming there might be a dedicated optic in it, since it appears quite a bit larger than the old film copier/macro nbellows units I'm used to. I suppose the question then becomes, what is the thread size for the attachment? Stepping down to a 35mm/APS-C format macro should be easy enough, but would stepping up to a 645 macro with its larger filter size lead to cutting off mof part of the image?
I thought there wouldn't really be a need for any kind of optic. Rather, the bellows allowed the apparatus to shrink or grow to accommodate an existing body and lens combination. Considering the first image I saw showed the new 645D mounted to it, I assumed they also intended for it to support the 645 and thus had to make it quite large.

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I sw another photo with the entire rig, including the dedicated flash, mounted to a ballhead on a tripod. IIRC the camera was a K3.
Sounds about right to me. Since I don't have a 645, I'm also glad to hear it might have had a K3 on it; it occurred to me that it might have been a bit naive to assume they'd make an accessory that worked with the full line of Pentax products just because it could.
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One other difference worth noting between a dedicated scanner and using a camera as a duplicator is that in the latter, you don't get the advantage of DigitalICE and other damage/dust masking technologies, so there's that to deal with, too.

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I've just started digitizing my slides and negatives with the da35 and a cheap led viewer. So far I get pretty good results, better than with my flatbed scanner, but I'm still in experimenting mode. To get reasonable highlight DR it seems that I should underexpose quite a bit and then lift shadows in PP (I use K-5 @iso 80).


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QuoteOriginally posted by Mistral75 Quote
A swivel screen is also very useful when taking portraits with the camera on tripod.
Or any below eye level shooting.
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One other difference worth noting between a dedicated scanner and using a camera as a duplicator is that in the latter, you don't get the advantage of DigitalICE and other damage/dust masking technologies, so there's that to deal with, too.
Aren't they any such tools that one could also use with files coming from a camera?
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QuoteOriginally posted by tuco Quote
Just don't bring the small format mentality to medium format and you'll do fine. And how can you be interested in the system if it is: A) too expensive and B) too big and bulky?

If you want to shoot MFD, man up, buck up and carry the gear!
Because of the wide angle issue. In order to get a decent wide angle you need to spend $5000 and increase the weight by 1Kg!
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QuoteOriginally posted by Mistral75 Quote
Aren't they any such tools that one could also use with files coming from a camera?
It's unfortunately unlikely.

I believe these tools use a separate pass of infrared light to detect imperfections which are then subsequently removed. Because a camera simply does passive light gathering, it wouldn't be able to distinguish flaws in this way.

There are software filters in Photoshop and the like that can mask some of the flaws, but nothing that actively detects physical flaws to the medium itself like DigitalICE does.
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Thank you for your detailed explanation.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Adam G Quote
I trust the slide duplicator is WR.

AW as a matter of fact, provided you keep it indoors.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Pål Jensen Quote
Because of the wide angle issue. In order to get a decent wide angle you need to spend $5000 and increase the weight by 1Kg!
That's nothing. Sports and wildlife photographers haul around lenses that weigh more. It's MFD not a APS-C mirrorless.
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