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02-07-2014, 09:11 AM - 1 Like   #181
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Do we know in what ways the screen tilts? It tilts upward (for waist level shooting, which is also useful for when you put the camera near the floor, so you dont have to lie down). But does it tilt downward as well, so you can lift it above your head?

QuoteOriginally posted by Mistral75 Quote
In this respect, Ricoh have an advantage since they know very well how CMOS Sony sensors behave in a variety of conditions and have been able to fine tune their firmware accordingly.
Thats an interesting idea. Maybe Pentax does in fact have an advantage in MF now - since the current MF cameras are generally using this same sensor (Phase One, Hasselbad). Now it will come down to ergonomics, lenses, features and cost. Things where Pentax is usually pretty strong in.

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QuoteOriginally posted by Mistral75 Quote
In addition to the different crop factor (1.25 for 33x44 vs. 1.15 for 36x48), there are differences, within the same CCD sensor generation (same pixel pitch), between 33x44 and 36x48 sensors: more pixels (e.g. 40m for 33x44 and 50m for 36x48), hence more definition and, more important, smoother transitions between in-focus and out-of-focus areas.
It's far-out line of reasoning. The real life difference is almost close to zero.

Pay attention, that new sensor is 50 MP. Not 40 MP.

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QuoteOriginally posted by Na Horuk Quote
Do we know in what ways the screen tilts? It tilts upward (for waist level shooting, which is also useful for when you put the camera near the floor, so you dont have to lie down). But does it tilt downward as well, so you can lift it above your head?


Thats an interesting idea. Maybe Pentax does in fact have an advantage in MF now - since the current MF cameras are generally using this same sensor (Phase One, Hasselbad). Now it will come down to ergonomics, lenses, features and cost. Things where Pentax is usually pretty strong in.
Phase One and Hasselblad are very strong too. I would say that Pentax has no any advantage in digital MF. Only PRICE.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Na Horuk Quote
Looks awesome! And a tilt screen!

Some people hate them, but for my shooting I would love it. Not every shot is from eye-level.
02-07-2014, 10:22 AM   #184
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QuoteOriginally posted by Pål Jensen Quote
But this isn't about wildlife but wide angle. A super wide angle zoom lens for the FF 645 system weights 500g. The 25mm on a cropped sensor weights more than twice as much. In addition you have a 1.5kg camera not to mention if you want to use telephotos as well where theres no way around size and weight. The cropped sensor make the angle of view of some lenses into something awkward like the 75mm that has the angle of view of a 60mm lens on 35mm FF. I've never wanted a 60mm lens.
The 645's have also been markted as field cameras. Wide angles that weights more than wide angles for even the 67 is not compatible with this. This is a camera ideal for landscapes. The 645 film system could compete with high-end 35mm system in terms of weight. The digital 645 could as well if it was FF. If you want a wide angle a 645 FF may have been no more expensive in total and you might have saved 1kg in weight. 1kg is a lot when it is the last kilo, the one you could have been without.
The super wide lens (40mm) from Hasselblad in the old film only days was also heavy and expensive, in fact the SWC/M (38mm) was less expensive and lighter and it included a camera body attached as well. Just saying that superwide for MF is not new to the digital crop world.

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I think the duplicator is a very clever product that may fill a niche in the marketplace. I have a Nikon 35mm scanner; haven't used it in several years. Scanning is a huge PITA (unless you are into it) and Nikon no longer supports their scanner products. Flatbeds give marginal results on 35mm, better on MF; still a PITA to get good scans. For those of us that shot/shoot film and have X number of slides/negs around, this might be the way to go. For a scan of a special picture that I want to print and hang, I'll get a drum scan done.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Zygonyx Quote
I own current 645D : I doubt you can take neat shots with this 50 Mpix sensor handheld using live view
That's speculation on your part. You don't know me , my photographic experience or my physical capabilities. Every one is different in capabilities.

I have also used the first generation Pentax 645D and it seems no more difficult to use...hand held... than my old Mamiya. I've also used the Pentax 6 X 7 handheld a fair amount in the past....both handheld and mounted on my Leitz tripod.

I've used live view with my Canon and Pentax equipment...considerably.

Adapting to different systems and different methods is part of life .
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Yes, but it is something different to have a third contact point with breast-finder or eyeshooting (tripod is different), and to handle the system with both hands only.
With no stabilisation (unless with DFA90mm).
But we will see what the reviewers think about this.
Btw, it could only function in one direction...
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QuoteOriginally posted by Zygonyx Quote
Yes, but it is something different to have a third contact point with breast-finder or eyeshooting (tripod is different), and to handle the system with both hands only.
With no stabilisation (unless with DFA90mm).
But we will see what the reviewers think about this.
Btw, it could only function in one direction...
With or without a tilting screen, one can form a stable platform by drawing in arms, locking elbows onto hip points, left palm cradling camera bottom in classic SLR style, right hand lightly on grip and controls. Camera LCD naturally rises to about chin height, 4-6" in front of the face.

Users of K-01 (or any Live-View camera - I also do this with K3) have learned to look just slightly down onto the LCD to compose and focus without holding the camera at arms' length, as one would a compact.

Then there is the tight neck-strap method at arms' length, which is a three-point support. There are 2nd-hand Chest-Pods. Video support rigs.

Of course K-01 is a comparatively small camera. Such support might not work for 645D. But it should not be assumed a user cannot possibly figure out a technique to create a stable paltform.


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Some people hate them, but for my shooting I would love it. Not every shot is from eye-level.
I agree. One of the big events in the spring in my area, is the tulip festival in Skagit County. Huge tulip fields and photographers, amateur and pros alike, gather to take the killer shots. In the past i have squatted down and held my Pentax dslrs down to bulb level, tried to peer at an extreme angle into the live view, and shot by guess work and rough aim. No fancy framing here. And 1 out of 4 shots might be useful.

Today, I leave my pentax dlsr in the car, take my Sony Nex cameras (yes, now i have 2, bought when models are about to be dropped from mfr) into the tulip field, flip down the tilting LCD and am able to focus as well as frame the bulb level shots. Now someone is going to say one should down lie down on their stomach in the sometimes muddy fields and take the shot like any true photographer. Then drag that dirt back and spread it all over their car.

I don't care whether "pros" use tilting screens or not, i care about interesting shots. The only people who complain about tilting screens seem to be those that have never tried them. These Sony tilting screens are built with a metal hinge and appear to me to be as tough as nails. Not sure about the articulating screens (because i haven't tried them)

Thank the camera gods for getting some new thinking into the Pentax cameras.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Zygonyx Quote
Don't forget the "load" factor btw tilt-screen and the rest of the camera...
You don't use MF like P&S, do you ? ...
I will avoid 645DII for several reasons, amongst them the fear to break the screen.
Don't pull the screen. Hard huh ?
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Often those who'd like an articulating screen are those aren't all that flexible. I'd imagine having to that having to crouch down with a relatively massive camera would impose some further challenges to someone who's not very limber.

Is anyone planning on running and gunning with the 645D II like they would with their K-5? Is anyone likely to buy the 645D II planning abusing their $10,000 plus investment in a way that would break that screen.

On another related topic, I think 645D 2014 is not the best name for the camera. It automatically dates and can only make one think how old it is everytime you say the name.
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For those of us that shot/shoot film and have X number of slides/negs around, this might be the way to go. For a scan of a special picture that I want to print and hang, I'll get a drum scan done.
I hope that's exactly the use case they have in mind for it
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Imagine you have an open wooden door and a wall made out of the same material. You attack both with a sledgehammer. Which do you think is going to happen first, the surface of the wall and/or the door (the screen) suffers significant damage, or you rip the door off its hinges? The hinges (the articulating joint) are not the weak point, the surface (the glass screen) is. The fact that the door can move when hit, instead of just taking the impact makes it harder to break down at all, unless you hit it in a very specific configuration.

There is no circumstance I can imagine where an articulated screen would break off before the screen itself would have been destroyed, whether fixed or not, unless you hit the joint directly, or the screen has been fully extended and bent beyond its limits. Presumably all these paranoid people would never flip it out, so the joint is never directly exposed nor extended to its limits, and thus it is only subject to the same kind of impact a fixed screen would. Now which would have a better chance of survival of a direct impact, a fixed screen that just takes the kinetic energy, or a screen that has at least some potential to move out harm's way when pushed?

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QuoteOriginally posted by Cannikin Quote
Imagine you have an open wooden door and a wall made out of the same material. You attack both with a sledgehammer. Which do you think is going to happen first, the surface of the wall and/or the door (the screen) suffers significant damage, or you rip the door off its hinges? The hinges (the articulating joint) are not the weak point, the surface (the glass screen) is. The fact that the door can move when hit, instead of just taking the impact makes it harder to break down at all, unless you hit it in a very specific configuration.
Terrible analogy.
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