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02-10-2014, 05:03 PM   #241
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QuoteOriginally posted by nanok Quote
- a hinged/articulated screen is mechanically more complex, hence more prone to mechanical failure (how many fixed panels have you seen fail to.. ahem.. stay fixed, as opposed to damaged/worn off hinges on a car door?); yes, it can be well built, i admit, but you can't help thinking that "all else being equal(...) the fixed design will be sturdier"

- a fixed (burried/built into the body) screen will not catch on things, cloathing, etc, this means it is unlikely to incurr any un-intentional shock, and it is also less likely to cause loosing grip on the whole camera and potentially causing the camera to take a flying start to the bottom of the valley. silly? paranoid? perhaps, but some people shoot in rather extreme conditions, and apart from equipment cost, the loss of a camera will basically spoil an entire trip (especially a photo trip)
If you flip it out, then yes, the joint becomes exposed to stresses that a fixed screen would not. But if you never flip it out, then it doesn't, especially since this 645D2014's screen appears to be recessed into the body, meaning it is protected on every side except the bottom. If I'm right, and the bottom edge does not actually extend past the edge of the body, it is virtually impossible to hit it.

Now that I think of it, a recessed articulated screen that is not attached to the frame along its edges would be extremely hard to damage with anything but a direct hit on the glass. It is protected on the sides by the frame, but at the same time is not attached to it, so energy absorbed by the frame doesn't pass into the screen itself. It is also virtually impossible to flip it out accidentally, unless you manage to slide a very small, flat object under the bottom edge.

Believe me, my bodies (and lenses) have it quite rough on my hikes and everyday outings. My K-5 has taken many falls, enough to noticeably dent the magnesium alloy, and scratch up the paint all over, not to mention the (sometimes major) damage my lenses have suffered over the years. The most common cause has been the neck strap catching on things when I go to pick it up, ripping it out of my hand, so I am well aware of the danger of such incidents. But in almost 2 years of using, and dropping, cameras with articulated screens (first the E-M5 and then the E-M1), I have never managed to get the screen to flip out when I didn't intend to or catch on anything, even though the screens on those bodies are not recessed at all, and make up the outer left and bottom edges of the cameras.

As for weather sealing, it hasn't been a problem for Olympus dating all the way back to the E-3 in 2007, and no one seriously questions the weather sealing capabilities of their cameras, which are easily on par with Pentax's. Adding a few rubber gaskets to the joints is a simple matter compared to sealing the sheer number of exposed areas on a lens for example. If Oly can do it, Pentax can, easily.


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02-11-2014, 01:25 AM   #242
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I find it odd that in the discussion of tilting screens, the objections are about the possible durability of the screen. But very few folks consider how the tilting screen opens up more possibilites in taking pictures - which is what its all about, IMO.

I was at the edge of a beaver pond 3 days back, which had interesting patterns from the air trapped under the ice. A tripod was called for because of the fading light, but once the camera was installed on the tripod, it was not possible to look thru the viewfinder because of the slope of the shoreline and brushy obstructions.

Luckily i had along a Nex camera, so i flipped out the tilting screen and angled it so i could then see to frame the shot from where i was sitting on ground. Also, there was not enough light to illuminate an optical VF like my K3 has, but on the nex, i merely pointed my headlamp at the ice covered pond, and the amplification of the LCD screen was sufficient to allow me to see the red colored focus peaking. Now, i would be unlikely to use a 10,000 dollar camera in a situation like that, but it shows how mirrorless and tilting screens allow shots that the traditional DSLR could not attempt. Obviously both kinds of digital camera have different advantages and disadvantages. I'm just delighted that Ricoh decided to consider the advantages of mirrorless for the new model.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Digitalis Quote
It won't. Look at the mode dial, no video.
Look at the mode dial, there is a space (something has been erased) between U1 and P:

http://news.ricoh-imaging.co.jp/rim_info/1_645D_2014_2.jpg
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QuoteOriginally posted by Mistral75 Quote
Look at the mode dial, there is a space (something has been erased) between U1 and P:
Interesting :-)

I wonder if it's the Live View button that is just barely visible to the right of the tilted screen?

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QuoteOriginally posted by Digitalis Quote
It won't. Look at the mode dial, no video.
K-3 also has no mode dial for video.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Mistral75 Quote
Look at the mode dial, there is a space (something has been erased) between U1 and P:

http://news.ricoh-imaging.co.jp/rim_info/1_645D_2014_2.jpg
They are still making their minds up, if 645D should have video, or if it's better to have a "Ricoh" labelled on that one.
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there is something that is edited or taped off..... between the Play symbol and Menu button.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Mistral75 Quote
Look at the mode dial, there is a space (something has been erased) between U1 and P:
The mind sees what it wants to see, there isn't anything there - nor has anything been removed to my experienced eyes.

QuoteOriginally posted by Steelski Quote
here is something that is edited or taped off..... between the Play symbol and Menu button.
That is probably the part light used to indicate memory card activity, they needed to use a transparent material hence the appearance of tape. trust me if they didn't want you to see anything on that side they could have easily have used the clone brush - but even that leaves traces in the image that can be revealed by close scrutiny.

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On the present 645d there is even more real estate on the mode dial. When it has a movie mode it will probably be hidden behind the extended screen or accessible through the quick menu. It doesn't make very much sense to put a microphone in the camera when it can't shoot movies though.
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Maybe the new 645D will have a 33mp 8K movie mode with crop down to 36mm wide center section of it's sensor with adapter for full frame K mount lenses.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Mistral75 Quote
Leica S2 a smallish body???
Relatively speaking!

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QuoteOriginally posted by jogiba Quote
Maybe the new 645D will have a 33mp 8K movie mode with crop down to 36mm wide center section of it's sensor with adapter for full frame K mount lenses.
I see the smiley, but would it be possible at all (with mirror locked up of course) to mount the K-mount lenses properly? How would one do that? Move the sensor forwards? Doesn't sound very good.
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QuoteOriginally posted by gazonk Quote
I see the smiley, but would it be possible at all (with mirror locked up of course) to mount the K-mount lenses properly? How would one do that? Move the sensor forwards? Doesn't sound very good.
I forgot about the mirror, oh well.
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QuoteOriginally posted by gazonk Quote
I see the smiley, but would it be possible at all (with mirror locked up of course) to mount the K-mount lenses properly? How would one do that? Move the sensor forwards? Doesn't sound very good.
That's why they made the 1.4x converter !
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QuoteOriginally posted by asw66 Quote
Indeed!

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