Samyang stepping into AF

thibs · 02-14-2014, 05:50 AM

Originally posted by D1N0

Scared of the Sigma? Samyang kills the 50mm f/1.2 Original rumor is from photorumors

Too bad

Na Horuk · 02-14-2014, 06:03 AM

Zeiss recently made the Otus and Sigma made a promising 50mm. These are both huge lenses, with high IQ. The Samyang would have a difficult time competing with them. It would be around the same size, but manual. And the IQ of 1.2 might not be "high enough" to impress, considering the alternatives. Too bad, though. I wouldn't mind a "cheap" ultra fast lens. Pentax needs some bright lenses, although I guess the DA* 55mm f1.4 is bright enough

D1N0 · 02-14-2014, 06:21 AM

Originally posted by Na Horuk

Zeiss recently made the Otus and Sigma made a promising 50mm. These are both huge lenses, with high IQ. The Samyang would have a difficult time competing with them. It would be around the same size, but manual. And the IQ of 1.2 might not be "high enough" to impress, considering the alternatives. Too bad, though. I wouldn't mind a "cheap" ultra fast lens. Pentax needs some bright lenses, although I guess the DA* 55mm f1.4 is bright enough

Those lenses would be in a different price range. The Otus is $4000, the Sigma will probably over $1000, a Samyang could be around $600 if not cheaper.

**todd** · 02-14-2014, 04:17 PM

Originally posted by D1N0

The Otus is $4000

droool - the images i've seen that were made through that...

oxidized · 02-15-2014, 02:15 PM

Originally posted by ElJamoquio

I'm OK with a lens going slightly past infinity. Guarantees that I can get infinity right.

I haven't run into the problem, but theoretically expansion/contraction due to temperature fluctuation mean that you never 'always' get infinity at a hard stop.

YMMV.

Originally posted by jezza323

Pretty much all lenses should go slightly past infinity, even my Pentax and Sigma lenses go slightly past

Yes, a little past is normal. Even some of the limiteds go a little beyond the infinity mark. However when you are able to go another 90degrees PAST I think this is beyond temperature tolerance and into the area of poor manufacturing quality control.

**dansamy** · 02-15-2014, 05:18 PM

$4k is a lot of money for a lens.

**VoiceOfReason** · 02-15-2014, 05:25 PM

It would be interesting to get their 24mm in af.

mikemike · 02-16-2014, 09:03 AM

Originally posted by ElJamoquio

going slightly past infinity

You are bringing back memories of set theory. Maybe different lenses just have different cardinalities.

jonby · 02-21-2014, 02:32 PM

Well, personally I'd be very happy if Samyang continued to just do what they have been doing - making fast prime lenses of excellent optical and mechanical quality with smooth focusing actions at a very reasonable price. I'd much rather they concentrated on bringing out more focal lengths in this vein than doing AF like virtually every other manufacturer on the planet. Do we need another range of lenses with 30 degree focus throws and horrible focusing actions? Ok it would be nice if they bothered to calibrate their focusing scales but other than that, their lenses are great already and give us something that cannot be bought elsewhere (with money that we actually have).

Na Horuk · 02-21-2014, 02:57 PM

Originally posted by jonby

Ok it would be nice if they bothered to calibrate their focusing scales

Maybe this is why they will go into AF - so they can make lenses with short focus throw and no focus ring markings like the DA lenses!
And I agree with you. I even miss DoF scales.

mikemike · 02-21-2014, 11:06 PM

So it seems like this rumor never materialized. The source in OP said "The company will make the official announcement in the next few days" the week of CP+. I don't think it is going to happen now, at least not any time soon.

Too sad.

KevinE · 02-24-2014, 09:37 AM

Never tried a Samyang. What shooting scenarios are their lenses designed for?

Na Horuk · 02-24-2014, 11:58 AM

Originally posted by KevinE

What shooting scenarios are their lenses designed for?

Any that doesn't require zoom or AF, basically. They are pretty high quality in terms of image output. Problem could be QC and lack of AF, for some users.

jonby · 02-24-2014, 07:46 PM

Originally posted by KevinE

Never tried a Samyang. What shooting scenarios are their lenses designed for?

Na Horuk is right. I'd also add that they are generally fast (large maximum aperture), and so lend themselves to narrow depth of field and low light work. ``````check out some reviews. There are some quality control issues (as there are with all manufacturers) but the better ones rival lenses costing four times the price in terms of optical quality. The 35mm would make a superb standard lens if you don't mind the size (it's big).

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02-14-2014, 05:50 AM	#46
thibs Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Belgium Photos: Albums Posts: 6,593	Originally posted by D1N0 Scared of the Sigma? Samyang kills the 50mm f/1.2 Original rumor is from photorumors Too bad

02-14-2014, 06:03 AM	#47
Na Horuk Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Slovenia, probably Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 11,183	Zeiss recently made the Otus and Sigma made a promising 50mm. These are both huge lenses, with high IQ. The Samyang would have a difficult time competing with them. It would be around the same size, but manual. And the IQ of 1.2 might not be "high enough" to impress, considering the alternatives. Too bad, though. I wouldn't mind a "cheap" ultra fast lens. Pentax needs some bright lenses, although I guess the DA* 55mm f1.4 is bright enough

02-14-2014, 06:21 AM	#48
D1N0 Pentaxian Join Date: May 2012 Location: --- Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,489 Original Poster	Originally posted by Na Horuk Zeiss recently made the Otus and Sigma made a promising 50mm. These are both huge lenses, with high IQ. The Samyang would have a difficult time competing with them. It would be around the same size, but manual. And the IQ of 1.2 might not be "high enough" to impress, considering the alternatives. Too bad, though. I wouldn't mind a "cheap" ultra fast lens. Pentax needs some bright lenses, although I guess the DA* 55mm f1.4 is bright enough Those lenses would be in a different price range. The Otus is $4000, the Sigma will probably over $1000, a Samyang could be around $600 if not cheaper.

02-14-2014, 04:17 PM	#49
todd Site Supporter Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Basement Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,411	Originally posted by D1N0 The Otus is $4000 droool - the images i've seen that were made through that...

02-15-2014, 02:15 PM	#50
oxidized Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: USA - Delaware Photos: Albums Posts: 435	Originally posted by ElJamoquio I'm OK with a lens going slightly past infinity. Guarantees that I can get infinity right. I haven't run into the problem, but theoretically expansion/contraction due to temperature fluctuation mean that you never 'always' get infinity at a hard stop. YMMV. Originally posted by jezza323 Pretty much all lenses should go slightly past infinity, even my Pentax and Sigma lenses go slightly past Yes, a little past is normal. Even some of the limiteds go a little beyond the infinity mark. However when you are able to go another 90degrees PAST I think this is beyond temperature tolerance and into the area of poor manufacturing quality control.

02-15-2014, 05:18 PM	#51
dansamy Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Nov 2013 Location: Alabama Posts: 2,450	$4k is a lot of money for a lens.

02-15-2014, 05:25 PM	#52
VoiceOfReason Emperor and Senpai Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Mishawaka IN area Photos: Albums Posts: 6,107	It would be interesting to get their 24mm in af.

02-16-2014, 09:03 AM	#53
mikemike Inactive Account Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: New Orleans Photos: Gallery Posts: 3,053	Originally posted by ElJamoquio going slightly past infinity You are bringing back memories of set theory. Maybe different lenses just have different cardinalities.

02-21-2014, 02:32 PM	#54
jonby Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2013 Posts: 161	Well, personally I'd be very happy if Samyang continued to just do what they have been doing - making fast prime lenses of excellent optical and mechanical quality with smooth focusing actions at a very reasonable price. I'd much rather they concentrated on bringing out more focal lengths in this vein than doing AF like virtually every other manufacturer on the planet. Do we need another range of lenses with 30 degree focus throws and horrible focusing actions? Ok it would be nice if they bothered to calibrate their focusing scales but other than that, their lenses are great already and give us something that cannot be bought elsewhere (with money that we actually have).

02-21-2014, 02:57 PM	#55
Na Horuk Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Slovenia, probably Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 11,183	Originally posted by jonby Ok it would be nice if they bothered to calibrate their focusing scales Maybe this is why they will go into AF - so they can make lenses with short focus throw and no focus ring markings like the DA lenses! And I agree with you. I even miss DoF scales.

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02-21-2014, 11:06 PM	#56
mikemike Inactive Account Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: New Orleans Photos: Gallery Posts: 3,053	So it seems like this rumor never materialized. The source in OP said "The company will make the official announcement in the next few days" the week of CP+. I don't think it is going to happen now, at least not any time soon. Too sad.

02-24-2014, 09:37 AM	#57
KevinE Junior Member Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 42	Never tried a Samyang. What shooting scenarios are their lenses designed for?

02-24-2014, 11:58 AM	#58
Na Horuk Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Slovenia, probably Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 11,183	Originally posted by KevinE What shooting scenarios are their lenses designed for? Any that doesn't require zoom or AF, basically. They are pretty high quality in terms of image output. Problem could be QC and lack of AF, for some users.

02-24-2014, 07:46 PM	#59
jonby Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2013 Posts: 161	Originally posted by KevinE Never tried a Samyang. What shooting scenarios are their lenses designed for? Na Horuk is right. I'd also add that they are generally fast (large maximum aperture), and so lend themselves to narrow depth of field and low light work. ``````check out some reviews. There are some quality control issues (as there are with all manufacturers) but the better ones rival lenses costing four times the price in terms of optical quality. The 35mm would make a superb standard lens if you don't mind the size (it's big).