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04-13-2014, 05:30 PM   #271
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QuoteOriginally posted by bossa Quote
I was suggesting this a year or more ago and was decried by many due to the quality of EVF and after trying a few I can understand why. But a MILMFC would probably be the same size as a D800 and if it had a FF crop mode that would pretty my allow people to transition to both formats who have a few FF lenses and encourage buyers to enter the MF lens market.
Except for the price..

For 4683.90 USD right now you can buy a D800 and a Nikkor 24-70 f2.8 ED lens. That leaves one with 3816.10 USD from the quoted 8500 USD price for the 645Z body alone to be used on any other range of lenses or accessories they want (primes/macro/flashes). I suspect if there ever is a digital Pentax FF, it would be at or less than the D800 pricing.

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(Smart) Videographers will go crazy after the 645Z because of the look the HD movies will get.
If the DR is sufficient, and I believe this sensor can deliver there, then this can come closer to the truer film quality than anything else out there.

It is all in the lenses (and also in DR possible with this new sensor) — telecentric MF lenses will render quality and feeling seldom seen, which will remind more of the grand films made on 65 mm Eastman than on today's off-the-shelf digital.

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645MZ Anyone?

QuoteOriginally posted by mee Quote
Except for the price..

For 4683.90 USD right now you can buy a D800 and a Nikkor 24-70 f2.8 ED lens. That leaves one with 3816.10 USD from the quoted 8500 USD price for the 645Z body alone to be used on any other range of lenses or accessories they want (primes/macro/flashes). I suspect if there ever is a digital Pentax FF, it would be at or less than the D800 pricing.
Even less if you grab the Tamron 24-70 instead. I tested both lenses and bought the Tamron as I felt it was way better up until around 60mm.

I was talking about a mirrorless MF camera, which would probably be much cheaper than the 645Z. Maybe call it a 645MZ
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QuoteOriginally posted by mee Quote
For 4683.90 USD right now you can buy a D800 and a Nikkor 24-70 f2.8 ED lens. That leaves one with 3816.10 USD from the quoted 8500 USD price for the 645Z body alone
You are looking at the wrong price lists:
- 50MP Phase One IQ 250: US$34,990
- 50MP Hasselblad H5D-50c: €20,900 (~US$29,000)

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You are looking at the wrong price lists:
- 50MP Phase One IQ 250: US$34,990
- 50MP Hasselblad H5D-50c: 20,900 (~US$29,000)
Those are certainly pricey, but they are MF bodies.. not FF as I was mentioning.
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not FF as I was mentioning.
The general point is that it makes more sense to compare the 645Z to it's MF format peers, not FF digital. I don't think Pentax made the 645Z to compete with the D800 - or the A7r.
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QuoteOriginally posted by rawr Quote
The general point is that it makes more sense to compare the 645Z to it's MF format peers, not FF digital. I don't think Pentax made the 645Z to compete with the D800 - or the A7r.
Except I must have missed where you stated such.. until now..

Someone suggested a mirrorless MF body with a FF step down mode to introduce that format. I stated I'd rather just have the FF, it is smaller and cheaper, then you quote pricey MF bodies... which left me confused as to how that correlated to the convo.


In any case, yes, agreed. That is the market. But if they are introducing a FF crop mode, I'd still rather just have the FF OVF body over the MF EVF body. That MF body and lens setup would still cost more than the FF body.. and perhaps still a little bulkier...
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But if they are introducing a FF crop mode, I'd still rather just have the FF OVF body over the MF EVF body. That MF body and lens setup would still cost more than the FF body.. and perhaps still a little bulkier...
I think if they were introducing a FF crop mode in the 645Z, it would be only as an extra, secondary feature. Like video I couldn't imagine why anyone would ever buy a 645Z just to use it exclusively in FF crop mode, when they could simply buy a D800 or A7r.

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QuoteOriginally posted by rawr Quote
I think if they were introducing a FF crop mode in the 645Z, it would be only as an extra, secondary feature. Like video I couldn't imagine why anyone would ever buy a 645Z just to use it exclusively in FF crop mode, when they could simply buy a D800 or A7r.
They only sensible reasons would have been to reuse FF lenses while upgrading those to MF lenses.
Since this is not possible for well known reasons (until they come with an MF MILC), it makes no more sense than a framing help and a bit of crop for birds (LOL). Why not, hey, but that's it.

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Actually, the FF will be of the sort that will make users exclaim "WTH ...." But in a positive way.
Remember from the interviews, how Pentax expressed a care that the FF does not spoil the APS-C K-mount offerings, and yet that is does not start a whole new mount and lenses, complicate matters and enrage current customers?
Well, they have a brilliant solution, and many will wonder why on Earth everyone else didn't think of it before?
C'mon, spill the beans ...
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Unless this "brilliant solution" is a vague assumption made from gathering all the unfounded rumors and hype on the Internet Occam's Razor says it won't be anything as complex and never ever seen before, and lacking evidence to the contrary, I would go with that.
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QuoteOriginally posted by rawr Quote
I think if they were introducing a FF crop mode in the 645Z, it would be only as an extra, secondary feature. Like video I couldn't imagine why anyone would ever buy a 645Z just to use it exclusively in FF crop mode, when they could simply buy a D800 or A7r.
And that was exactly my point.. I'd rather have the D800 in that case.
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i hope the new 645 video will be standard for the new pentax dslr
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The latest rumors are that the 4k is only a 'burst' mode.
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the 4k is only a 'burst' mode
Since so much else in the 645Z seems to be borrowed from the K-3, the 4K mode in the 645Z is likely identical to the way 4K is implemented in the K-3. From the K-3 manual:

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Exactly, it's interval movie, 4k with 0.5fps
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