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dfujevec · 04-13-2014, 06:26 AM

Originally posted by Enrique S Toso

Im so in love with this.....Hassellblad, Mamiya and Phase Onse, be scared!!

Yes they are scared because Pentax has flash synchro 1/125 sec and no leaf shutter lense in line up

Thomas · 04-13-2014, 06:28 AM

Most are heavy crops. This one is nearly full frame and shows it is possible to shoot birds in flight with a manual focus lens (although the miss rate is pretty high). 645D, 600mm.

cali92rs · 04-13-2014, 06:34 AM

If this 645z is really going to be 8500, it will be a game changer.

Mehlsack · 04-13-2014, 09:45 AM

maybe pentax really makes MF the new FF.
slightly bigger price (now) and if a mirrorless would ever happen and might even be the size of a 1Dx or things like that.

a little bit more power to the CPUs etc and we are at 6FPS in MF.... ok just let me check where i can find a nice 1exabyte HDD.

eurostar · 04-13-2014, 10:49 AM

Originally posted by dfujevec

Yes they are scared because Pentax has flash synchro 1/125 sec and no leaf shutter lense in line up

So these don't exists?

ogl · 04-13-2014, 11:30 AM

Originally posted by eurostar

So these don't exists?

There are 2 old lenses. Not produced for a long time and it could be used with 645D with some limitations.

Uluru · 04-13-2014, 04:20 PM

Originally posted by Mehlsack

maybe pentax really makes MF the new FF.
slightly bigger price (now) and if a mirrorless would ever happen and might even be the size of a 1Dx or things like that..

Actually, the FF will be of the sort that will make users exclaim "WTH ...." But in a positive way.
Remember from the interviews, how Pentax expressed a care that the FF does not spoil the APS-C K-mount offerings, and yet that is does not start a whole new mount and lenses, complicate matters and enrage current customers?
Well, they have a brilliant solution, and many will wonder why on Earth everyone else didn't think of it before?

**Belnan** · 04-13-2014, 04:38 PM

Originally posted by Uluru

Actually, the FF will be of the sort that will make users exclaim "WTH ...." But in a positive way.
Remember from the interviews, how Pentax expressed a care that the FF does not spoil the APS-C K-mount offerings, and yet that is does not start a whole new mount and lenses, complicate matters and enrage current customers?
Well, they have a brilliant solution, and many will wonder why on Earth everyone else didn't think of it before?

Come on give us a hint. You cant just tease us like that.

Sandy Hancock · 04-13-2014, 04:41 PM

Originally posted by Belnan

You cant just tease us like that.

Oh yes he can. And if he really knows, he no doubt has to.

mee · 04-13-2014, 05:08 PM

I'd rather have the FF body and lenses over MF if only for size/heft/bulkiness of the MF... not to mention cost of the system The IQ, however, is phenomenal. I'd love to try Brenizer style Panoramas with one and a fast lens (and a rack of hard drives haha).

bossa · 04-13-2014, 05:19 PM

Originally posted by Mehlsack

maybe pentax really makes MF the new FF.
slightly bigger price (now) and if a mirrorless would ever happen and might even be the size of a 1Dx or things like that.

a little bit more power to the CPUs etc and we are at 6FPS in MF.... ok just let me check where i can find a nice 1exabyte HDD.

I was suggesting this a year or more ago and was decried by many due to the quality of EVF and after trying a few I can understand why. But a MILMFC would probably be the same size as a D800 and if it had a FF crop mode that would pretty my allow people to transition to both formats who have a few FF lenses and encourage buyers to enter the MF lens market.

mee · 04-13-2014, 05:30 PM

Originally posted by bossa

I was suggesting this a year or more ago and was decried by many due to the quality of EVF and after trying a few I can understand why. But a MILMFC would probably be the same size as a D800 and if it had a FF crop mode that would pretty my allow people to transition to both formats who have a few FF lenses and encourage buyers to enter the MF lens market.

Except for the price..

For 4683.90 USD right now you can buy a D800 and a Nikkor 24-70 f2.8 ED lens. That leaves one with 3816.10 USD from the quoted 8500 USD price for the 645Z body alone to be used on any other range of lenses or accessories they want (primes/macro/flashes). I suspect if there ever is a digital Pentax FF, it would be at or less than the D800 pricing.

Uluru · 04-13-2014, 05:33 PM

(Smart) Videographers will go crazy after the 645Z because of the look the HD movies will get.
If the DR is sufficient, and I believe this sensor can deliver there, then this can come closer to the truer film quality than anything else out there.

It is all in the lenses (and also in DR possible with this new sensor) — telecentric MF lenses will render quality and feeling seldom seen, which will remind more of the grand films made on 65 mm Eastman than on today's off-the-shelf digital.

bossa · 04-13-2014, 05:36 PM

Originally posted by mee

Except for the price..

For 4683.90 USD right now you can buy a D800 and a Nikkor 24-70 f2.8 ED lens. That leaves one with 3816.10 USD from the quoted 8500 USD price for the 645Z body alone to be used on any other range of lenses or accessories they want (primes/macro/flashes). I suspect if there ever is a digital Pentax FF, it would be at or less than the D800 pricing.

Even less if you grab the Tamron 24-70 instead. I tested both lenses and bought the Tamron as I felt it was way better up until around 60mm.

I was talking about a mirrorless MF camera, which would probably be much cheaper than the 645Z. Maybe call it a 645MZ

rawr · 04-13-2014, 06:05 PM

Originally posted by mee

For 4683.90 USD right now you can buy a D800 and a Nikkor 24-70 f2.8 ED lens. That leaves one with 3816.10 USD from the quoted 8500 USD price for the 645Z body alone

You are looking at the wrong price lists:
- 50MP Phase One IQ 250: US$34,990
- 50MP Hasselblad H5D-50c: €20,900 (~US$29,000)

04-13-2014, 04:38 PM	#263
Belnan Site Supporter Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Nova Scotia Photos: Albums Posts: 1,090	Uluru... WTH Originally posted by Uluru Actually, the FF will be of the sort that will make users exclaim "WTH ...." But in a positive way. Remember from the interviews, how Pentax expressed a care that the FF does not spoil the APS-C K-mount offerings, and yet that is does not start a whole new mount and lenses, complicate matters and enrage current customers? Well, they have a brilliant solution, and many will wonder why on Earth everyone else didn't think of it before? Come on give us a hint. You cant just tease us like that.

04-13-2014, 05:33 PM	#268
Uluru Banned Join Date: May 2010 Location: Back to my Walkabout Creek Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 2,535	(Smart) Videographers will go crazy after the 645Z because of the look the HD movies will get. If the DR is sufficient, and I believe this sensor can deliver there, then this can come closer to the truer film quality than anything else out there. It is all in the lenses (and also in DR possible with this new sensor) — telecentric MF lenses will render quality and feeling seldom seen, which will remind more of the grand films made on 65 mm Eastman than on today's off-the-shelf digital. Last edited by Uluru; 04-13-2014 at 06:52 PM.

04-13-2014, 05:36 PM	#269
bossa Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Adelaide Posts: 4,546	645MZ Anyone? Originally posted by mee Except for the price.. For 4683.90 USD right now you can buy a D800 and a Nikkor 24-70 f2.8 ED lens. That leaves one with 3816.10 USD from the quoted 8500 USD price for the 645Z body alone to be used on any other range of lenses or accessories they want (primes/macro/flashes). I suspect if there ever is a digital Pentax FF, it would be at or less than the D800 pricing. Even less if you grab the Tamron 24-70 instead. I tested both lenses and bought the Tamron as I felt it was way better up until around 60mm. I was talking about a mirrorless MF camera, which would probably be much cheaper than the 645Z. Maybe call it a 645MZ

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04-13-2014, 06:26 AM	#256
dfujevec Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Slovenija Photos: Gallery Posts: 145	Originally posted by Enrique S Toso Im so in love with this.....Hassellblad, Mamiya and Phase Onse, be scared!! Yes they are scared because Pentax has flash synchro 1/125 sec and no leaf shutter lense in line up

04-13-2014, 06:28 AM	#257
Thomas Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 434	Most are heavy crops. This one is nearly full frame and shows it is possible to shoot birds in flight with a manual focus lens (although the miss rate is pretty high). 645D, 600mm.

04-13-2014, 06:34 AM	#258
cali92rs Veteran Member Join Date: May 2011 Location: Long Beach, CA Posts: 3,354	If this 645z is really going to be 8500, it will be a game changer.

04-13-2014, 09:45 AM	#259
Mehlsack Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Innsbruck Posts: 283	maybe pentax really makes MF the new FF. slightly bigger price (now) and if a mirrorless would ever happen and might even be the size of a 1Dx or things like that. a little bit more power to the CPUs etc and we are at 6FPS in MF.... ok just let me check where i can find a nice 1exabyte HDD.

04-13-2014, 10:49 AM	#260
eurostar Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Albareto, Italy Photos: Gallery Posts: 819	Originally posted by dfujevec Yes they are scared because Pentax has flash synchro 1/125 sec and no leaf shutter lense in line up So these don't exists?

04-13-2014, 11:30 AM	#261
ogl Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Sankt Peterburg Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 8,382	Originally posted by eurostar So these don't exists? There are 2 old lenses. Not produced for a long time and it could be used with 645D with some limitations.

04-13-2014, 04:20 PM	#262
Uluru Banned Join Date: May 2010 Location: Back to my Walkabout Creek Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 2,535	Originally posted by Mehlsack maybe pentax really makes MF the new FF. slightly bigger price (now) and if a mirrorless would ever happen and might even be the size of a 1Dx or things like that.. Actually, the FF will be of the sort that will make users exclaim "WTH ...." But in a positive way. Remember from the interviews, how Pentax expressed a care that the FF does not spoil the APS-C K-mount offerings, and yet that is does not start a whole new mount and lenses, complicate matters and enrage current customers? Well, they have a brilliant solution, and many will wonder why on Earth everyone else didn't think of it before?

04-13-2014, 04:41 PM	#264
Sandy Hancock Moderator Site Supporter Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Adelaide Hills, South Australia Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 11,267	Originally posted by Belnan You cant just tease us like that. Oh yes he can. And if he really knows, he no doubt has to.

04-13-2014, 05:08 PM	#265
mee Veteran Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 7,403	I'd rather have the FF body and lenses over MF if only for size/heft/bulkiness of the MF... not to mention cost of the system The IQ, however, is phenomenal. I'd love to try Brenizer style Panoramas with one and a fast lens (and a rack of hard drives haha).

04-13-2014, 05:19 PM	#266
bossa Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Adelaide Posts: 4,546	Originally posted by Mehlsack maybe pentax really makes MF the new FF. slightly bigger price (now) and if a mirrorless would ever happen and might even be the size of a 1Dx or things like that. a little bit more power to the CPUs etc and we are at 6FPS in MF.... ok just let me check where i can find a nice 1exabyte HDD. I was suggesting this a year or more ago and was decried by many due to the quality of EVF and after trying a few I can understand why. But a MILMFC would probably be the same size as a D800 and if it had a FF crop mode that would pretty my allow people to transition to both formats who have a few FF lenses and encourage buyers to enter the MF lens market.

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04-13-2014, 05:30 PM	#267
mee Veteran Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 7,403	Originally posted by bossa I was suggesting this a year or more ago and was decried by many due to the quality of EVF and after trying a few I can understand why. But a MILMFC would probably be the same size as a D800 and if it had a FF crop mode that would pretty my allow people to transition to both formats who have a few FF lenses and encourage buyers to enter the MF lens market. Except for the price.. For 4683.90 USD right now you can buy a D800 and a Nikkor 24-70 f2.8 ED lens. That leaves one with 3816.10 USD from the quoted 8500 USD price for the 645Z body alone to be used on any other range of lenses or accessories they want (primes/macro/flashes). I suspect if there ever is a digital Pentax FF, it would be at or less than the D800 pricing.

04-13-2014, 06:05 PM	#270
rawr Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 11,913	Originally posted by mee For 4683.90 USD right now you can buy a D800 and a Nikkor 24-70 f2.8 ED lens. That leaves one with 3816.10 USD from the quoted 8500 USD price for the 645Z body alone You are looking at the wrong price lists: - 50MP Phase One IQ 250: US$34,990 - 50MP Hasselblad H5D-50c: €20,900 (~US$29,000)