Originally posted by philbaum I get that the total area of a larger format will gather more photons than a smaller format. But, isn't it the size of the photosite that matters. Generally FF photosites will be larger than they are in an APS sensor, so therefore they will capture more photons and therefore the signal to noise ratio will be greater on the sensor with the larger photosite???
So as an example, Sony putting out a A7s with only 12mp is an effort to increase the photons captured in each photosite to increase the signal to noise ratio.
Hope thats right. There, of course, were no photosites on film, just one big area of film - things change.
It is true that smaller pixels get less light than big ones, because, hey they are smaller.
But if you average the light gathered by a few of theses smaller pixels, you'll have as much light comming in as before at first sight.
That why the K3 score almost the same as K5, that D600 score almost the same as D800. No FF go better than 3200iso anyway, even the one with the fewest pixels inside. We stay at roughly the same level.
For the Sony A7s, this one be actually better, they explain that they changed the way they make the photosites, how they gather light so less is wasted in between them.
I expect their design on the sensor to give them some improvement, enough to beat Canikon but that will not be that huge otherwise they would have say so. They carefully say the new Sony will be better than any FF and they don't say by what margin. After they insist they bumped the iso maximum like if every photographer really wanted to take photo at 400K isos anyway. They try to sell us their improved noise removal algorithm and that can be fine for JPEG, but anybody with a RAW from any sensor and using DxO or Lightroom can use the best algorithms. That what anybody that care for ultimate high iso performance should do anyway... You easily gain a few EV with theses tools.
Maybe the new sensor design is more difficult to apply if the pixel is too small, but there no reason it impossible that an improved design could not fit smaller pixels in the future.
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Anyway my point was and remains that for me you don't get 645Z for it behavior @6400iso handled. IYou don't care neither of the equivalence.
The reality is that in many conditions you can choose the best speed & apperture compromize for the best creative effect and you can still shoot at iso 100. And theses isos 100 of one MF sensor go with far less noise and deeper colors.
The transitions and the bokeh also tend to be more pleasing to the eyes while bigger lens also exibit better performance.