Pentax and Walmart.com

OniFactor · 04-27-2008, 10:06 AM

bravo, peter, you made the already cheap price of walmart even lower, thereby increasing what you strive to stop from happening, by boycotting them!

also, you said the correct price was marked on the rear reflector, right? who's to say that someone didn't just attach the wrong price on the front, since it was double-tagged, and that they just weren't trying to pull a fast one, and, in fact, you bullied them into giving it to them for a price that would cost them?

really, think about that for a minute.

Torphoto · 04-27-2008, 10:25 AM

Before we all go nuts, this is about visability, Pentax needs that and having their cameras at wallyworld next to nikons is needed for just that.

fwbigd · 04-27-2008, 10:27 AM

Originally posted by Nels

Just checked Walmart.com and they list only the K10D and K200D as the only two cameras available. Maybe Pentax is not ready to release the K20D till sales fall off a little, Just a thought. I do not mind shopping at Walmart and find their price matching a nice benefit and the liberal return policy is pretty decent as well. I see a lot union emplyees shopping at walmart with me and they enjoy the lower pricing on different items as well. I see shopping at walmart as being wise with my money as I am not too "upity" to save a buck. And in conclusion, at least walmart still allows the Salvation Army bell ringers at Christmas time so all the welfare recipients that shop there can donate their money to less fortunate than them. JMTCW.

Very interesting. It has been pulled since I posted. It was listed as a kit with the 18-55 for $1349.00. Some one from Pentax probably saw my post and had them pull it.

VR
Darryl

Peter Zack · 04-27-2008, 10:39 AM

Originally posted by OniFactor

bravo, peter, you made the already cheap price of walmart even lower, thereby increasing what you strive to stop from happening, by boycotting them!

also, you said the correct price was marked on the rear reflector, right? who's to say that someone didn't just attach the wrong price on the front, since it was double-tagged, and that they just weren't trying to pull a fast one, and, in fact, you bullied them into giving it to them for a price that would cost them?

really, think about that for a minute.

Well I highly doubt it. The bike was on a rack that was 12 feet off the floor. It was a spring promo and all the bikes had similar tags but this one was clearly for another model. The margins in this category are around 20%, so I know they lost money on the deal. They changed the tags right after I got the bike.

Anyway we're getting away from the point of the thread. It's an upscale model (K20D) and although Walmart will give them a higher profile, is it the right profile? Say what you will but Walmart is a discount retailer. It's not a place where marquis brands are normally profiled.

spyglass · 04-27-2008, 11:34 AM

Originally posted by JCSullivan

I begs to differ. I AM NOT WELFARE CITY. And even if I was and even if WM is welfare city not everyone on this earth of ours is equal. You, unfortunately, have not taken into consideration people's fate or mis/fortunes.

Personally, I think it is a good move as it brings the Pentax name back to the fore to the commoner, like it was in the 60s and 70s. Pentax is returning to their roots.

And BTW, not everything at WM is cheap. It is more affordable buy using their buying power.

End of rant

Sorry to ruffle your feathers JCSullivan, not my intention to make anybody feel bad, or fuel the cast system. The Walmart in my city is very low end, dirty, and filled with low end merchandise that I would not want anybody to fall victim to. When the Walmart store opened a lot of good family priced clothing stores closed down as they could not compete (slightly due to buying power, mostly due to Walmart selling subgrade clothing). While I do like opportunities for Pentax to gain exposure..... what is the old saying "if you lie with dogs, you get fleas" I can think of no dirtier, filthier, flea infested, dog, than Walmart

Entropy · 04-27-2008, 01:20 PM

Originally posted by ennacac

I find it hard to believe that people will buy a $1,300 camera at Walmart, at least in the stores. If I am looking at a camera that expensive, Walmart is the last place I would look.

Tom

Pentax DSLRs are most definately an "online only" item for Wally World.

Damn Brit · 04-27-2008, 10:15 PM

I urge anyone who hasn't seen it to rent the movie 'Idiocracy', it's a comedy. It's not that good but it's a good scenario for what Walmart is doing to this world (along with governments and their education policies). Walmart is destroying towns and communities. If they have their way there will be NO other stores than Walmart. I read somewhere a while ago that if Walmart were a country, they'd rank 5th in the world for exporting goods from China (they're probably third or fourth by now).

Last edited by Damn Brit; 04-27-2008 at 10:25 PM.

**barondla** · 04-28-2008, 05:34 AM

There is little difference in buying from Walmart or B&H, or Adorama, etc. They all use their big buying power to put others out of business. Soon there won't be any small dealers. There may not be any brick & mortar after the internet gets done.
thanks
barondla

BeerCan · 04-28-2008, 05:41 AM

I dislike walmart as much or more than anyone on the planet. I do however have a problem with people "blaming" walmart for one thing or another i.e. putting the small guy out of business etc. The problem is not so much walmart as it is the consumer. Consumers are the ones who helped walmart gain its status and they will be the ones to eventually suffer. BTW how many of you who refuse to shop at walmart will shop at home depot or lowes or costco ?(you get my point) it is the same thing.

I will probably catch a lot of flak for this but that story about the brain damaged woman -- It is heart wrenching and all that but if you look at all the facts, walmart's original position was correct albeit harsh and emotionless. Like it or not those were the terms of her employment and she agreed to them.

[rest of post deleted -- I was starting to rant -- sorry]

JCSullivan · 04-28-2008, 06:00 AM

WM reversed it's decission

TaoMaas · 04-28-2008, 06:14 AM

Originally posted by BeerCan

I dislike walmart as much or more than anyone on the planet. I do however have a problem with people "blaming" walmart for one thing or another i.e. putting the small guy out of business etc. The problem is not so much walmart as it is the consumer.

In my hometown, there was a fight when Wal Mart was given advantages that weren't available to the local business owners, like installing turn lanes and stop lights so that there was easy access to the Wal Mart parking lot.

Adecker · 04-28-2008, 06:50 AM

Originally posted by ennacac

I find it hard to believe that people will buy a $1,300 camera at Walmart, at least in the stores. If I am looking at a camera that expensive, Walmart is the last place I would look.

Tom

I'm a Wal-Mart shopper (except for the meat - too watery

). But anyway, I agree with this thought. When I drop that kind of money on a camera I'm going somewhere where there is support.

code4code5 · 04-28-2008, 01:56 PM

If you're going to boycott Wal-Mart, don't forget Toys-R-Us, Babies-R-Us, and Bed Bath & Beyond. All are Wal-Mart owned. I don't have a problem with Wal-Mart at all because unfortunately, we live in a time where gas prices are going to top $4 a gallon very quickly, and that's roughly $20-25 more per fill up than it was just a few weeks ago. Any time we can cut the consumer a "break," I'm for it.

Not to poke the piranha, but how would Wal-Mart not support the customer if there's a problem with the merchandise? Has anyone ever had any trouble returning anything? It's not like they're going out of business any time soon.

OniFactor · 04-28-2008, 02:31 PM

Originally posted by TaoMaas

In my hometown, there was a fight when Wal Mart was given advantages that weren't available to the local business owners, like installing turn lanes and stop lights so that there was easy access to the Wal Mart parking lot.

do any local businesses own the same area of land, and command the same amount of consumers? i doubt you'll need a dedicated turn lane to get into your local Ma & Pa grocer's store parking lot, because, 1, i doubt the lot they're on will command the same area, and have as few entrances as a walmart parking lot, or even a mall parking lot, for that matter. 2, i also doubt that the smaller store will get the same volume of traffic into their lot.

there are more 'local' chain stores that get the same amenities, such as Kroger's, Wegman's, Food Lion, the more 'regional' chains. it all has to do with volume, though.

J.Scott · 04-28-2008, 04:04 PM

OniFactor - you are definitely a WalMart ambassador! I can't help but notice that you are very quick to jump to their defense. It may seem irrational and incomprehensible to you but I will never 'come to the dark side' and shop there regardless of your sound reasoning. Yes, I also shop at other big-box stores; I just won't shop there for reasons mentioned earlier, that's all. I know lots of people that shop there and can be friends with them in spite of their obvious character flaw.

(That's just a joke - relax.

)

I mentioned it here because someone asked for our opinions. Now I'll just shut my pie hole and let you carry on about how great they are.

04-27-2008, 10:27 AM	#18
fwbigd Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Fort Worth TX Posts: 339 Original Poster	Originally posted by Nels Just checked Walmart.com and they list only the K10D and K200D as the only two cameras available. Maybe Pentax is not ready to release the K20D till sales fall off a little, Just a thought. I do not mind shopping at Walmart and find their price matching a nice benefit and the liberal return policy is pretty decent as well. I see a lot union emplyees shopping at walmart with me and they enjoy the lower pricing on different items as well. I see shopping at walmart as being wise with my money as I am not too "upity" to save a buck. And in conclusion, at least walmart still allows the Salvation Army bell ringers at Christmas time so all the welfare recipients that shop there can donate their money to less fortunate than them. JMTCW. Very interesting. It has been pulled since I posted. It was listed as a kit with the 18-55 for $1349.00. Some one from Pentax probably saw my post and had them pull it. VR Darryl Last edited by fwbigd; 04-27-2008 at 10:39 AM.

04-28-2008, 06:50 AM	#27
Adecker New Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: East Peoria IL Posts: 7	I agree Originally posted by ennacac I find it hard to believe that people will buy a $1,300 camera at Walmart, at least in the stores. If I am looking at a camera that expensive, Walmart is the last place I would look. Tom I'm a Wal-Mart shopper (except for the meat - too watery ). But anyway, I agree with this thought. When I drop that kind of money on a camera I'm going somewhere where there is support.

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04-27-2008, 10:06 AM	#16
OniFactor Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Binghamton, NY, USA Posts: 643	bravo, peter, you made the already cheap price of walmart even lower, thereby increasing what you strive to stop from happening, by boycotting them! also, you said the correct price was marked on the rear reflector, right? who's to say that someone didn't just attach the wrong price on the front, since it was double-tagged, and that they just weren't trying to pull a fast one, and, in fact, you bullied them into giving it to them for a price that would cost them? really, think about that for a minute.

04-27-2008, 10:25 AM	#17
Torphoto Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Trinidad W.I. Photos: Gallery Posts: 612	Before we all go nuts, this is about visability, Pentax needs that and having their cameras at wallyworld next to nikons is needed for just that.

04-27-2008, 10:39 AM	#19
Peter Zack Pentaxian Moderator Emeritus Join Date: May 2007 Location: Edmonton Alberta, Canada Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 10,643	Originally posted by OniFactor bravo, peter, you made the already cheap price of walmart even lower, thereby increasing what you strive to stop from happening, by boycotting them! also, you said the correct price was marked on the rear reflector, right? who's to say that someone didn't just attach the wrong price on the front, since it was double-tagged, and that they just weren't trying to pull a fast one, and, in fact, you bullied them into giving it to them for a price that would cost them? really, think about that for a minute. Well I highly doubt it. The bike was on a rack that was 12 feet off the floor. It was a spring promo and all the bikes had similar tags but this one was clearly for another model. The margins in this category are around 20%, so I know they lost money on the deal. They changed the tags right after I got the bike. Anyway we're getting away from the point of the thread. It's an upscale model (K20D) and although Walmart will give them a higher profile, is it the right profile? Say what you will but Walmart is a discount retailer. It's not a place where marquis brands are normally profiled.

04-27-2008, 11:34 AM	#20
spyglass Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: British Columbia, Canada Posts: 747	Originally posted by JCSullivan I begs to differ. I AM NOT WELFARE CITY. And even if I was and even if WM is welfare city not everyone on this earth of ours is equal. You, unfortunately, have not taken into consideration people's fate or mis/fortunes. Personally, I think it is a good move as it brings the Pentax name back to the fore to the commoner, like it was in the 60s and 70s. Pentax is returning to their roots. And BTW, not everything at WM is cheap. It is more affordable buy using their buying power. End of rant Sorry to ruffle your feathers JCSullivan, not my intention to make anybody feel bad, or fuel the cast system. The Walmart in my city is very low end, dirty, and filled with low end merchandise that I would not want anybody to fall victim to. When the Walmart store opened a lot of good family priced clothing stores closed down as they could not compete (slightly due to buying power, mostly due to Walmart selling subgrade clothing). While I do like opportunities for Pentax to gain exposure..... what is the old saying "if you lie with dogs, you get fleas" I can think of no dirtier, filthier, flea infested, dog, than Walmart

04-27-2008, 01:20 PM	#21
Entropy Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Owego, NY Posts: 976	Originally posted by ennacac I find it hard to believe that people will buy a $1,300 camera at Walmart, at least in the stores. If I am looking at a camera that expensive, Walmart is the last place I would look. Tom Pentax DSLRs are most definately an "online only" item for Wally World.

04-27-2008, 10:15 PM	#22
Damn Brit Guest	I urge anyone who hasn't seen it to rent the movie 'Idiocracy', it's a comedy. It's not that good but it's a good scenario for what Walmart is doing to this world (along with governments and their education policies). Walmart is destroying towns and communities. If they have their way there will be NO other stores than Walmart. I read somewhere a while ago that if Walmart were a country, they'd rank 5th in the world for exporting goods from China (they're probably third or fourth by now). Last edited by Damn Brit; 04-27-2008 at 10:25 PM.

04-28-2008, 05:34 AM	#23
barondla Site Supporter Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: midwest, United States Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 5,715	There is little difference in buying from Walmart or B&H, or Adorama, etc. They all use their big buying power to put others out of business. Soon there won't be any small dealers. There may not be any brick & mortar after the internet gets done. thanks barondla

04-28-2008, 05:41 AM	#24
BeerCan Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Riverview FL Posts: 130	I dislike walmart as much or more than anyone on the planet. I do however have a problem with people "blaming" walmart for one thing or another i.e. putting the small guy out of business etc. The problem is not so much walmart as it is the consumer. Consumers are the ones who helped walmart gain its status and they will be the ones to eventually suffer. BTW how many of you who refuse to shop at walmart will shop at home depot or lowes or costco ?(you get my point) it is the same thing. I will probably catch a lot of flak for this but that story about the brain damaged woman -- It is heart wrenching and all that but if you look at all the facts, walmart's original position was correct albeit harsh and emotionless. Like it or not those were the terms of her employment and she agreed to them. [rest of post deleted -- I was starting to rant -- sorry]

04-28-2008, 06:00 AM	#25
JCSullivan Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Windsor, Canada Posts: 3,056	WM reversed it's decission

04-28-2008, 06:14 AM	#26
TaoMaas Pentaxian Join Date: May 2007 Location: Oklahoma City Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 3,574	Originally posted by BeerCan I dislike walmart as much or more than anyone on the planet. I do however have a problem with people "blaming" walmart for one thing or another i.e. putting the small guy out of business etc. The problem is not so much walmart as it is the consumer. In my hometown, there was a fight when Wal Mart was given advantages that weren't available to the local business owners, like installing turn lanes and stop lights so that there was easy access to the Wal Mart parking lot.

04-28-2008, 01:56 PM	#28
code4code5 Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Denver, CO Photos: Gallery Posts: 438	If you're going to boycott Wal-Mart, don't forget Toys-R-Us, Babies-R-Us, and Bed Bath & Beyond. All are Wal-Mart owned. I don't have a problem with Wal-Mart at all because unfortunately, we live in a time where gas prices are going to top $4 a gallon very quickly, and that's roughly $20-25 more per fill up than it was just a few weeks ago. Any time we can cut the consumer a "break," I'm for it. Not to poke the piranha, but how would Wal-Mart not support the customer if there's a problem with the merchandise? Has anyone ever had any trouble returning anything? It's not like they're going out of business any time soon.

04-28-2008, 02:31 PM	#29
OniFactor Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Binghamton, NY, USA Posts: 643	Originally posted by TaoMaas In my hometown, there was a fight when Wal Mart was given advantages that weren't available to the local business owners, like installing turn lanes and stop lights so that there was easy access to the Wal Mart parking lot. do any local businesses own the same area of land, and command the same amount of consumers? i doubt you'll need a dedicated turn lane to get into your local Ma & Pa grocer's store parking lot, because, 1, i doubt the lot they're on will command the same area, and have as few entrances as a walmart parking lot, or even a mall parking lot, for that matter. 2, i also doubt that the smaller store will get the same volume of traffic into their lot. there are more 'local' chain stores that get the same amenities, such as Kroger's, Wegman's, Food Lion, the more 'regional' chains. it all has to do with volume, though.

04-28-2008, 04:04 PM	#30
J.Scott Inactive Account Join Date: Mar 2007 Photos: Gallery Posts: 3,675	OniFactor - you are definitely a WalMart ambassador! I can't help but notice that you are very quick to jump to their defense. It may seem irrational and incomprehensible to you but I will never 'come to the dark side' and shop there regardless of your sound reasoning. Yes, I also shop at other big-box stores; I just won't shop there for reasons mentioned earlier, that's all. I know lots of people that shop there and can be friends with them in spite of their obvious character flaw. (That's just a joke - relax. ) I mentioned it here because someone asked for our opinions. Now I'll just shut my pie hole and let you carry on about how great they are.