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SloPhoto · 05-13-2008, 03:08 PM

Originally posted by proudtoshootpentax

That's the critical question for me... or in this case can you see it? Pentax claims that currently the new sensor's pixels use 40% if their area to gather light. I would say that's room for improvement right there (I know there's a lens in front of each one which also helps). I'm sticking to my belief that in a few years APS-C will come so close to what FF is today that you won't be able to tell the difference. Yes, FF will still continue to get better, but there will come a point when APS-C will more than fill the needs of most people. If you still need more improvement, then perfect the foveon sensor, or Fuji's super pixel sensor. (I'd love to see the latter in a Pentax pro body) There will always be some advantages to FF, but there will always also be some advantages to APS-C, and I think it's been shown that APS-C is capable of producing some incredibly professional looking images.

Now this is what gets me every time. IMO Image quality != noise. DOF is also crucial, and there is no way to get past physics in regards to objective size on the image sensor. I for one would welcome (and gladly pay for) a larger sensor for that reason alone.

falconeye · 05-13-2008, 04:55 PM

Originally posted by proudtoshootpentax

I'm sticking to my belief that in a few years APS-C will come so close to what FF is today that you won't be able to tell the difference.

My belief is the same.

Will change in the future, though, when we approach the perfect sensor.
(My statement was about comparisons at the same technological level, i.e., date)

Will you see the difference? Definitely. Why else do studios shot with MF digital backs and use plenty of artifical light? Do you need it? Definitely not! Pros with APS-C perform wonderfully today.

Jaleel · 05-15-2008, 01:19 PM

I think no FF now, 1 year or more...

Confused · 05-16-2008, 07:28 AM

Hi Jaleel

Have a look at the following post:

https://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/pentax-dslr-discussion/26456-so-s-true-fu...lr-coming.html

Best regards
Richard

filmamigo · 05-23-2008, 07:36 AM

Originally posted by *isteve

So why cant I make a 645 camera the same size as a 35mm camera?

?

My AGFA Isolette is smaller than my *ist DL. That's 6x6 versus APS-C.

benjikan · 05-25-2008, 08:20 AM

If Samsung go FF, which I know they will, I have no doubt that they are working in conjunction with Pentax.

Ben

Confused · 05-25-2008, 09:20 AM

Hi Ben

Re your comment:

Quote:

I have no doubt that they (Samsung) are working in conjunction with Pentax.

Amen to that......FF here we come !

Best regards
Richard

WendyB · 05-25-2008, 07:15 PM

Originally posted by benjikan

If Samsung go FF, which I know they will, I have no doubt that they are working in conjunction with Pentax.

Ben

Hmmm' It seems you must be handling similar items as I and find it very interesting you shoot glamor and I shoot waterfowl and nature. Another that I know handling shoots sports action. The selection is quite interesting.

Not Registered · 05-26-2008, 09:05 AM

Originally posted by WendyB

Hmmm' It seems you must be handling similar items as I and find it very interesting you shoot glamor and I shoot waterfowl and nature. Another that I know handling shoots sports action. The selection is quite interesting.

When will you give up

First, look at the age of your profile.PentaxForums.com - View Profile: WendyB

Then look at this https://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/pentax-news-rumors/23562-so-much-pentax-h...ce-k20d-6.html

Then lets take a look to your profession as a surgical nurse in the "Days of Our lives" which also doubles as a farewell note. https://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/general-pentax-photography/27752-leaving-forum-end-note.html

Then ask yourself what the heck are you still doing wandering around. You need to have nerve to keep playing with the people. What will be next a Munchaussen by proxy?

benjikan · 05-26-2008, 12:45 PM

Originally posted by WendyB

Hmmm' It seems you must be handling similar items as I and find it very interesting you shoot glamor and I shoot waterfowl and nature. Another that I know handling shoots sports action. The selection is quite interesting.

What are you talking about? Really! I didn't understand a word you said. That is total incoherent gibberish...Speak English PLEASE!

Ben

vizjerei · 05-26-2008, 01:31 PM

Originally posted by benjikan

If Samsung go FF, which I know they will, I have no doubt that they are working in conjunction with Pentax.

Ben

I just got another FA lens... 77/1.8... I am well prepared for the Full Frame DSLR, Pentax... :ugh:

Jaleel · 05-27-2008, 07:31 AM

Maybe Summer?
With *60-250 for FF?
We have: 31,43,77,200,300 and no FF zooms.
I hope 17-70 and 60-250 will be.

vizjerei · 05-27-2008, 08:38 AM

Those DA* 50-135 and 16-50 can't cover FF? I am so into Pentax Prime lens, it seems a waste not to get the prime when you are in Pentax system, IMHO

eurostar · 05-27-2008, 09:18 AM

Originally posted by Jaleel

Maybe Summer?
With *60-250 for FF?
We have: 31,43,77,200,300 and no FF zooms.
I hope 17-70 and 60-250 will be.

We know for sure that 17-70 is not FF, as it vignettes on APS-C!

Cambo · 05-27-2008, 10:26 AM

Originally posted by benjikan

What are you talking about? Really! I didn't understand a word you said. That is total incoherent gibberish...Speak English PLEASE!

Ben

In case you missed it, Wendy. Yet another short-sighted gaff by them.

Cheers,
Cameron

05-27-2008, 10:26 AM	#150
Cambo Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Vancouver, BC Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 1,016	Ben's not with Pentax any longer... Originally posted by benjikan What are you talking about? Really! I didn't understand a word you said. That is total incoherent gibberish...Speak English PLEASE! Ben In case you missed it, Wendy. Yet another short-sighted gaff by them. Cheers, Cameron

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05-13-2008, 03:08 PM	#136
SloPhoto Inactive Account Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 133	Originally posted by proudtoshootpentax That's the critical question for me... or in this case can you see it? Pentax claims that currently the new sensor's pixels use 40% if their area to gather light. I would say that's room for improvement right there (I know there's a lens in front of each one which also helps). I'm sticking to my belief that in a few years APS-C will come so close to what FF is today that you won't be able to tell the difference. Yes, FF will still continue to get better, but there will come a point when APS-C will more than fill the needs of most people. If you still need more improvement, then perfect the foveon sensor, or Fuji's super pixel sensor. (I'd love to see the latter in a Pentax pro body) There will always be some advantages to FF, but there will always also be some advantages to APS-C, and I think it's been shown that APS-C is capable of producing some incredibly professional looking images. Now this is what gets me every time. IMO Image quality != noise. DOF is also crucial, and there is no way to get past physics in regards to objective size on the image sensor. I for one would welcome (and gladly pay for) a larger sensor for that reason alone.

05-13-2008, 04:55 PM	#137
falconeye Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Munich, Alps, Germany Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,871	Originally posted by proudtoshootpentax I'm sticking to my belief that in a few years APS-C will come so close to what FF is today that you won't be able to tell the difference. My belief is the same. Will change in the future, though, when we approach the perfect sensor. (My statement was about comparisons at the same technological level, i.e., date) Will you see the difference? Definitely. Why else do studios shot with MF digital backs and use plenty of artifical light? Do you need it? Definitely not! Pros with APS-C perform wonderfully today.

05-15-2008, 01:19 PM	#138
Jaleel Forum Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Moscow, Russia Photos: Gallery Posts: 73	I think no FF now, 1 year or more...

05-16-2008, 07:28 AM	#139
Confused Inactive Account Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: London Posts: 1,067	Hi Jaleel Have a look at the following post: https://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/pentax-dslr-discussion/26456-so-s-true-fu...lr-coming.html Best regards Richard

05-23-2008, 07:36 AM	#140
filmamigo Pentaxian Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Toronto Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 797	Originally posted by isteve So why cant I make a 645 camera the same size as a 35mm camera? ? My AGFA Isolette is smaller than my ist DL. That's 6x6 versus APS-C.

05-25-2008, 08:20 AM	#141
benjikan Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Paris, France Photos: Gallery Posts: 4,308 Original Poster	If Samsung go FF, which I know they will, I have no doubt that they are working in conjunction with Pentax. Ben

05-25-2008, 09:20 AM	#142
Confused Inactive Account Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: London Posts: 1,067	Hi Ben Re your comment: Quote: I have no doubt that they (Samsung) are working in conjunction with Pentax. Amen to that......FF here we come ! Best regards Richard

05-25-2008, 07:15 PM	#143
WendyB Inactive Account Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Grosse Pointe Farms, Michigan Posts: 189	Originally posted by benjikan If Samsung go FF, which I know they will, I have no doubt that they are working in conjunction with Pentax. Ben Hmmm' It seems you must be handling similar items as I and find it very interesting you shoot glamor and I shoot waterfowl and nature. Another that I know handling shoots sports action. The selection is quite interesting.

05-26-2008, 09:05 AM	#144
Not Registered Guest	Originally posted by WendyB Hmmm' It seems you must be handling similar items as I and find it very interesting you shoot glamor and I shoot waterfowl and nature. Another that I know handling shoots sports action. The selection is quite interesting. When will you give up First, look at the age of your profile.PentaxForums.com - View Profile: WendyB Then look at this https://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/pentax-news-rumors/23562-so-much-pentax-h...ce-k20d-6.html Then lets take a look to your profession as a surgical nurse in the "Days of Our lives" which also doubles as a farewell note. https://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/general-pentax-photography/27752-leaving-forum-end-note.html Then ask yourself what the heck are you still doing wandering around. You need to have nerve to keep playing with the people. What will be next a Munchaussen by proxy?

05-26-2008, 12:45 PM	#145
benjikan Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Paris, France Photos: Gallery Posts: 4,308 Original Poster	Originally posted by WendyB Hmmm' It seems you must be handling similar items as I and find it very interesting you shoot glamor and I shoot waterfowl and nature. Another that I know handling shoots sports action. The selection is quite interesting. What are you talking about? Really! I didn't understand a word you said. That is total incoherent gibberish...Speak English PLEASE! Ben

05-26-2008, 01:31 PM	#146
vizjerei Veteran Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Toronto Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,418	Originally posted by benjikan If Samsung go FF, which I know they will, I have no doubt that they are working in conjunction with Pentax. Ben I just got another FA lens... 77/1.8... I am well prepared for the Full Frame DSLR, Pentax... :ugh:

05-27-2008, 07:31 AM	#147
Jaleel Forum Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Moscow, Russia Photos: Gallery Posts: 73	Maybe Summer? With *60-250 for FF? We have: 31,43,77,200,300 and no FF zooms. I hope 17-70 and 60-250 will be.

05-27-2008, 08:38 AM	#148
vizjerei Veteran Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Toronto Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,418	Those DA* 50-135 and 16-50 can't cover FF? I am so into Pentax Prime lens, it seems a waste not to get the prime when you are in Pentax system, IMHO

05-27-2008, 09:18 AM	#149
eurostar Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Albareto, Italy Photos: Gallery Posts: 819	Originally posted by Jaleel Maybe Summer? With *60-250 for FF? We have: 31,43,77,200,300 and no FF zooms. I hope 17-70 and 60-250 will be. We know for sure that 17-70 is not FF, as it vignettes on APS-C!

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