Originally posted by TomInJax @NickC,
I think what Falconeye is trying to say is that you can have a 600mm lens with the same diameter objective as your 400mm lens, but it would be f8.4.
Yes.
Originally posted by TomInJax So, in this case the crop factor helps keep the lens size and weight down for a telephoto (or long) lens at an equivalent magnification.
You said it right in your first paragraph but don't deduce the logical implication from it.
There really must be a counter-intuitive thing in there. So again: the crop factor does not help keeping the lens size or weight down for a telephoto lens at equivalent magnification.
For a given field of view, shutter speed and image quality, the size of the sensor does not affect the required lens diameter in mm, nor its weight, size or cost (see above for arguments).
Of course, there ARE bigger lenses for bigger sensors at a higher cost. But they deliver a correspondingly better IQ.
Maybe, an example helps:
Assume the DA* 200mm f/2.8 be an APS-C only lens and the DA* 300mm f/4 an FF only lens (both really are APS-C and FF lenses, but that doesn't matter here).
Then the given fact is that both lenses on their respective sensors deliver images which you cannot tell apart when printed (if the pixel count is the same). And they are same size, weight and cost (roughly).
(BTW, you may find a 300mm f/2.8 where you won't find the corresponding 200mm f/2 -- but that doesn't make the FF lenses bigger as such).