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07-29-2014, 05:00 AM   #226
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I think it would be easier for them to just put "Later*" on the road map, then they could skip most revisions they make on it.

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QuoteOriginally posted by Fogel70 Quote
I think it would be easier for them to just put "Later*" on the road map, then they could skip most revisions they make on it.
It would surely boost customers' confidence in the brand if they started getting more specific and committal on lens releases. How many camera sales have they lost because no one knows if and when they will really come out with a lens someone is interested in?
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I'm hoping it's the new D-FA* line.
Because you know what that would mean!
That would mean come September this place is gonna be jumpin'.
07-30-2014, 07:44 AM   #229
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QuoteOriginally posted by Deedee Quote
Come on people testing those Pentax cameras - Leak some damn photos under other pseudo names. Next we will have news about "Leaked images"!

Lets do it!

P.S. I am testing a full frame Pentax K-1 with ISO 300,000 and Leaf Shutter. It also has the "Movie Button" and "Swivel Screen". Camera has NFC/wifi/blue tooth. 51 AF points with 39 Cross type AF points. 11 Frames per second. Camera will be launched with a K-mount converter for full frame lenses (So people who don't want to get rid of their vintage glass can use the new system WITHOUT Vignetting). Flash Sync speed of 1/500. Processor SAFOX XXX AFZ M D N TLD module. 30 Mega Pixels. Built in Full-Tether using USB 3.0 / HDMI and Wifi with native support to Lightroom and Adobe Camera Raw.

P.P.S The camera will be designed to take X-Ray of previous dead presidents and their ghosts.
I love it DeeDee. You are too much... X-Ray of dead presidents!!

BTW, I like the specs on the future FF camera. We might just get it if Ricoh keeps this pace of innovation.

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In my opinion Pentax is building the hype around the brand leaking Q and 645 lens. Maybe those new products are not the "main dish" for Photokina? Of course, it will be presented there but in my opinion something bigger is coming up.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Fogel70 Quote
I think it would be easier for them to just put "Later*" on the road map, then they could skip most revisions they make on it.
The way they are going I think "much later" is more likely or "eventually" or just plain "maybe"

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"This is the year" seems to be the vibe every time Photokina comes around, but this year, I'd say it's now or never re' the FF. The market is moving on.

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No, I really don't think it's now or never. Why would it be? The market is changing, but slowly - "FF" is still niche, the competition is more or less about the same - the only addition is Sony's entrance on the mirrorless "FF" market, but again the MILCs are not taking over anytime soon.
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It has been now or never for about a decade now......

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No, I really don't think it's now or never.
I agree in as much it is too late to exploit market conditions.

If it takes Ricoh two more years to produce an FF camera, probably not much will have changed.

Before the D600 and the 6D were launched, there was a window of opportunity for Pentax to capitalise on market conditions and sway some APS-C Canikon shooters over to Pentax by introducing the first FF DSLR that isn't huge and overpriced.

Today, a lot of former Pentaxians have already switched to shooting with a D800, A7*, etc. Some more will have switched and/or got rid of their residual Pentax stuff in two more years, but I think the most substantial damage has already happened.
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Tom Hogan put it quite well in a recent article on Photokina. In general, not much of any great import is expected from an industry wrestling with falling sales. In the case of Ricoh in particular and looking ahead, the question he posed is whether you expect Ricoh to be "in it to win it" or content themselves with "mild iterations of things they’ve been doing". So, top three full-line camera business or "hobby business", at least compared to Ricoh's overall size? Ricoh have certainly been talking up the first in some of their interviews, but I wonder if their presence at Photokina will lean more to the second in actual fact. A serious go at an APS-C or similar mirrorless system would nix that one, as would an FF, but no one seems to expect a move into MILCs and FF seems where it's been for many years now, i.e somewhere up in the clouds. I guess we'll soon find out.

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Last year was the highest revenue year for ILC's ever.

This year is a tick off of that but we still have Photokina to go, and industry-wide the cameras are old.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Class A Quote
I agree in as much it is too late to exploit market conditions.

If it takes Ricoh two more years to produce an FF camera, probably not much will have changed.

Before the D600 and the 6D were launched, there was a window of opportunity for Pentax to capitalise on market conditions and sway some APS-C Canikon shooters over to Pentax by introducing the first FF DSLR that isn't huge and overpriced.

Today, a lot of former Pentaxians have already switched to shooting with a D800, A7*, etc. Some more will have switched and/or got rid of their residual Pentax stuff in two more years, but I think the most substantial damage has already happened.
Then, we actually disagree: I don't think it's too late I also don't think they need a window of opportunity - if there was one important enough to have a significant effect, it would definitely be exploitable by the competition. Besides, such windows of opportunity don't necessarily have a great effect; think K10D.

Some people left, others are coming; and each new customer is a potential FF upgrader/future buyer. This is why the APS-C product range is very important for the viability of a FF line.
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QuoteOriginally posted by bossa Quote
The way they are going I think "much later" is more likely or "eventually" or just plain "maybe"

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"This is the year" seems to be the vibe every time Photokina comes around, but this year, I'd say it's now or never re' the FF. The market is moving on.
I see that Asahi man has posted over on another forum. He's usually fairly reliable (not always). In brief "Pentax fullframe Body is not to see @ Photokina this year", "The next lens should be not a 2,8 70-200. It is the telezomm till 4xxmm", "What we see this year is the new Q and maybe lenses for aps-c and ff", "The converter production got a power up now, because there are still much more orders than production numbers". So, as always, FF is still in there but not actually here in physical fact. It is just around the next corner, hang on, not long now I promise you, it really is there you must believe me, be patient, just one more corner to go, you'll see it soon, you can't give up now, look at that sign in the sky, surely you can see the shape of a full-frame camera among those clouds, behold a portent, etc etc.

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We'll see more than just a Q, camera-side. But no "full frame"... yet.
Ricoh Imaging is fighting with, and working to expand their limited production capacity.
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As I've written, 645Z pushed many things to the side for a year.
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