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07-31-2014, 10:03 AM   #256
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QuoteOriginally posted by Raffwal Quote
Asahi man tends to know things. I never expected a FF Pentax to arrive because we've been let down so many times and for so long. But never the less, what a f**king joke this is. Year after year, exhibition after exhibition, it's just around the corner. And so many seem to have believed it once again. Like a cat chasing its own tail, almost at reach but never quite there.
If the long telezoom is arriving for real, this year I will spend some money for Pentax, a thing I stopped to do since the arrive of the K-5. I finally will switch to K-3, if the 400mm zoom will be fast enough to justify the improved AF of K-3. Without a fast tele for BIF, for me there is no reason to upgrade the old reflex. I too am interested in the fullframe, to use with my old K lenses, but I tend to think that I would spend less money for the Pentax FF that for K-3+BG+400mm zoom.

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QuoteOriginally posted by IchabodCrane Quote
I'm interpreting your answer as "I'll blame Hoya for as long as I want to". Accurate?
If by that you mean that I'm extending the scope of that blame beyond what should be reasonably attributed to them, no, it's not at all accurate. I wonder how you managed to interpret "We should blame Hoya for that which can be attributed to Hoya" that way...
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QuoteOriginally posted by Deedee Quote
Come on people testing those Pentax cameras - Leak some damn photos under other pseudo names. Next we will have news about "Leaked images"!

Lets do it!

P.S. I am testing a full frame Pentax K-1 with ISO 300,000 and Leaf Shutter. It also has the "Movie Button" and "Swivel Screen". Camera has NFC/wifi/blue tooth. 51 AF points with 39 Cross type AF points. 11 Frames per second. Camera will be launched with a K-mount converter for full frame lenses (So people who don't want to get rid of their vintage glass can use the new system WITHOUT Vignetting). Flash Sync speed of 1/500. Processor SAFOX XXX AFZ M D N TLD module. 30 Mega Pixels. Built in Full-Tether using USB 3.0 / HDMI and Wifi with native support to Lightroom and Adobe Camera Raw.

P.P.S The camera will be designed to take X-Ray of previous dead presidents and their ghosts.

As far as I know there won't be K-1 for some time because I'm just testing K-2.
Nothing special in compare to previous models, but it is full frame.
Oh, and a viewfinder is gorgeous.
Sorry, I can't pubished pictures and technical details before Photokina because of legal obligations.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Kunzite Quote
If by that you mean that I'm extending the scope of that blame beyond what should be reasonably attributed to them, no, it's not at all accurate. I wonder how you managed to interpret "We should blame Hoya for that which can be attributed to Hoya" that way...
Because you can arbitrarily attribute to Hoya anything you want for as long as you want. That's why I was asking for a real date.

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QuoteOriginally posted by Kunzite Quote
And I'm being realistic enough to think that some time had to pass after they took control in order for that control to start being effective.

As am I.
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You're such a joker
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Because you can arbitrarily attribute to Hoya anything you want for as long as you want. That's why I was asking for a real date.
How many times I have to say they should be blamed for that which can be attributed to them? There's nothing arbitrary in that, in fact it requires a reasonable explanation on why a specific thing should be attributed to them and not to another factor.

I cannot provide a date because there's no such thing - there's no hard limit before which we could blame Hoya, and after which we could blame Ricoh. So we have to look at the context; which in this case was "year after year, exhibition after exhibition".

Right now, Ricoh Imaging is working to solve the production capacity problem. Hoya's strategy was based on downsizing and cost cutting...

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Everyone here keeps forgetting that from calendar 4Q 2011 through calendar 2Q2013 Ricoh the parent company and all its subsidiaries were on a strict capital conservation schedule as Ricoh restructured its office equipment global operations and rationalized its business model. There literally wasn't 'external' capital made available to invest in Pentax; Pentax (Ricoh Imaging Co., Ltd.) was on a capital 'cash and carry' basis. We might not see it as such, but the investment in the new coatings evaporators associated with the HD coating process and patent (at $1,000,000 ea.) was actually a pretty big deal. During this period of capital rationing Ricoh Imaging managed also to release the K5II, K3, 1.4x TC and the 645Z, all products to which Ricoh Imaging made significant technical contributions.

Further, Ricoh has been very focused on constructing and initializing production at a massive OE plant in China, which is now largely complete and producing. [Edited. Earnings are to be released at 3:00 pm July 31, 2014 and should be a minor positive] Things in Ricoh-land are actually looking up.

If you must lay blame, blame it on Ricoh, but understand why you are doing so.

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QuoteOriginally posted by monochrome Quote
Ricoh's 1Q2015 earnings statement, released today, was a minor positive
Could You provide the source please?

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QuoteOriginally posted by x4rd Quote
Could You provide the source please?
Unfortunately I can't.[EDIT: See below]

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QuoteOriginally posted by banep Quote
As far as I know there won't be K-1 for some time because I'm just testing K-2.
Nothing special in compare to previous models, but it is full frame.
Oh, and a viewfinder is gorgeous.
Sorry, I can't pubished pictures and technical details before Photokina because of legal obligations.
Serious?! Don't toy with us!!!

Sounds plausible.....
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Regarding financial numbers: would this be it? Looking at it, Cameras are in the "Other" category, but are not the only thing in it. Sales in this category have gone down -0.1% year over year. An interesting stat is that while Ricoh at large does 28% of its business in the Americas, in the "Other" category that percentage is only 3.8% (numbers are from p. 14). Also in the Other category, sales in the Americas are down 9.5% year over year...

EDIT: Oh, and I think monochrome meant 1Q2014 earnings, not 1Q2015, unless he has a Delorean with a flux capacitor... :-P [RE-EDIT: I stand corrected, it is 1Q2015...! See below.]

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If releasing the 645Z was the reason for pushing FF off another year, i think that was a huge mistake. Your substituting small potential sales (full frame) for teeny tiny miniscule sales (645Z).
Ricoh said supposedly there was a worldwide 2,000 initial launch of the Z's, right? At B&H they are in stock, no waiting list, no back order.
In a day or 2, adorama will have them in stock, again, no back order.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Doundounba Quote
Regarding financial numbers: would this be it? Looking at it, Cameras are in the "Other" category, but are not the only thing in it. Sales in this category have gone down -0.1% year over year. An interesting stat is that while Ricoh at large does 28% of its business in the Americas, in the "Other" category that percentage is only 3.8% (numbers are from p. 14). Also in the Other category, sales in the Americas are down 9.5% year over year...

EDIT: Oh, and I think monochrome meant 1Q2014 earnings, not 1Q2015, unless he has a Delorean with a flux capacitor... :-P
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QuoteOriginally posted by Kunzite Quote
You're such a joker

How many times I have to say they should be blamed for that which can be attributed to them? There's nothing arbitrary in that, in fact it requires a reasonable explanation on why a specific thing should be attributed to them and not to another factor.

I cannot provide a date because there's no such thing - there's no hard limit before which we could blame Hoya, and after which we could blame Ricoh. So we have to look at the context; which in this case was "year after year, exhibition after exhibition".

Right now, Ricoh Imaging is working to solve the production capacity problem. Hoya's strategy was based on downsizing and cost cutting...
Okay but do you attribute anything to Ricoh that's not happening well? It's not realistic to believe all good things come from Ricoh and only bad things came and still come from Hoya.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Doundounba Quote
Oh, and I think monochrome meant 1Q2014 earnings, not 1Q2015, unless he has a Delorean with a flux capacitor
Nope. 1Q2015. Japanese companies generally begin their Fiscal Year April 1 and end March 31st, so this is the March, 2015 FY. We jsut finished the 1st Fiscal Quarter of FY 2015.

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