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08-01-2014, 12:40 AM   #301
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QuoteOriginally posted by IchabodCrane Quote
A great question for a Photokina interview would be percentage of camera sales that come from outside of Japan. Let's see what they say.
Well for a part this is answerd.

Ricoh Imaging Europe is #2 within the groupe and has a share of 30 % of sales. So with America's, and the rest of Asia I guess Japan would be around 40-50 % or so.

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The CIPA figures for June are out. They continue the pattern of this year. The industry as a whole is sharply down and DSLR is down a bit but MILC is up, again this month by quite a lot with Europe doing particularly well so far this year. Shipments of MILCs to the Americas are 400 per cent up on the same month a year ago. I wonder what caused that sudden jump? Maybe that one must be an anomaly? If this trend continues then I guess a question might be whether a full-fat MILC line of APS-C scale or so is a better long-term prospect than a DSLR FF line looking over 3-5 years. There can't be many folks left who are looking to Pentax for a FF DSLR whether they already have the brand or not. Things appear to be changing out there.

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QuoteOriginally posted by MarkJerling Quote
Are you joking, or is this an insider scoop???
It does sound quite believable / logical. The name 'K-2' would line up well with the new 'Q-2' nomenclature, with largely the same tech as previous (i.e a full-frame K-3). A conservative and obvious venture into FF.

BUT, the lead-up to a major camera show is also silly season, and outlandish comments / claims about "I'm testing the new FF" are not unusual. Unless Banep can verify / validate his comments, I suggest a healthy dose of salt
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I hope to see a "year of the lenses". Just what those lenses will be is currently a mystery...

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It does sound quite believable / logical. The name 'K-2' would line up well with the new 'Q-2' nomenclature, ..
Apparently, it will be Q-S1.
Whatever that means.
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I believe MILC will overtake DSLR in the future. I just don't think the technology is here yet; unless the market decides it's all good and we continue down the road from bright big SLR viewfinder all the way to laggy, low contrast EVF as a standard.
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QuoteOriginally posted by mecrox Quote
The CIPA figures for June are out. They continue the pattern of this year. The industry as a whole is sharply down and DSLR is down a bit but MILC is up, again this month by quite a lot with Europe doing particularly well so far this year. Shipments of MILCs to the Americas are 400 per cent up on the same month a year ago. I wonder what caused that sudden jump?..
Because cheap MILCs are replacing P&S cameras now. Cheap MILC are the new replacement for the P&S market, trying to revive it, and MILCs can actually compete favourably with smartphones. So it's a win-win game for the camera maker and that is why Pentax is pushing Q with new models each year. That is the whole strategy of the camera makers, of those who make MILCs alone and of those who make DSLRs and MILCs too — introduce gazillion of MILCs because they know P&S days are gone, and game must be changed.
It's a new era.

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QuoteOriginally posted by Uluru Quote
Because cheap MILCs are replacing P&S cameras now. Cheap MILC are the new replacement for the P&S market, trying to revive it, and MILCs can actually compete favourably with smartphones. So it's a win-win game for the camera maker and that is why Pentax is pushing Q with new models each year. That is the whole strategy of the camera makers, of those who make MILCs alone and of those who make DSLRs and MILCs too introduce gazillion of MILCs because they know P&S days are gone, and game must be changed.
It's a new era.


I don't have the impression Q competes with phones, or P&S cameras. Both are more convenient to pocket & carry. I see Q more as a DSLR-lite; something that behaves sort-of like DSLR in a much smaller package. A toy for people not too lazy to change lenses and fiddle with settings.

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QuoteOriginally posted by cxdoo Quote
I believe MILC will overtake DSLR in the future. I just don't think the technology is here yet; unless the market decides it's all good and we continue down the road from bright big SLR viewfinder all the way to laggy, low contrast EVF as a standard.
You have chosen the wrong verb; overtake is not the right word. MILC is the replacement for the P&S nowadays. So it will sell in large quantities, yes, and be de facto cameras of choice. And now, and also in the future, we shall need to compare figures differently: mid level DSLRs with higher-end MILC cameras only, because the P&S cameras are now substituted with low-end MILC, like Q, Oly EPLs, etc.

So how sales of D7100, or sales of K-3 compare with sales of X-T1 or Pen 5?
That figure (and no other figure) will reveal the real truth about the real appeal of the higher-end MILC.

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QuoteOriginally posted by Uluru Quote
You have chosen the wrong verb; overtake is not the right word. MILC is the replacement for the P&S nowadays. So it will sell in large quantities, yes. And now we shall need to compare figures differently: DSLRs with higher-end MILC cameras only, because the P&S cameras are now substituted with low-end MILC, like Q, Oly EPLs, etc.

So how sales of D7100, or sales of K-3 compare with sales of X-T1 or Pen 5?
That figure (and no other figure) will reveal the real truth about the real appeal of the higher-end MILC.
I doubt it. Concentrating on one metric risks simply producing a list which is really why owners of a D7100 prefer it and why owners of an X-T1 prefer that one. I'd have thought it also important to look at changes in technology coming down the line including video and IT generally, design and m/f costs going forward, demographic changes, developments among competitors and competing industries and all the rest of a long list. I'm sure such surveys exist but likely not for public viewing unless you have a few thousand $$ to spare. And of course the whole picture is skewed by Canonikon and their vested interests. Even talking of a "market" is a bit of a misnomer with some sections of the camera industry given the degree of concentration. If one or other of the big changes two tack, or more likely when, then everything else will change too. The point is that a manufacturer cannot look only at today, read off the (expected) answer and pronounce job done when his costs and returns are based on a run-off lasting for years. One has to look over the medium term, at least 3-5 years I'd have thought. That is likely to produce a different answer. None of this is simple.
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QuoteOriginally posted by jpzk Quote
Seems like a joke.

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Tell us more, banep !

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Can be seen as a joke.
Probably.
But it's real.
It has similar size and almost the same weight as K-3.
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QuoteOriginally posted by mecrox Quote
IThe point is that a manufacturer cannot look only at today, read off the (expected) answer and pronounce job done when his costs and returns are based on a run-off lasting for years. One has to look over the medium term, at least 3-5 years I'd have thought. That is likely to produce a different answer. None of this is simple.
I agree. But the trend is this: MILCs will be mainstream cameras of the future. They are higher value cameras sold at a low price, and are replacing the P&S almost entirely.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Uluru Quote
I agree. But the trend is this: MILCs will be mainstream cameras of the future. They are higher value cameras sold at a low price, and are replacing the P&S almost entirely.
Low price? An X-T1 costs more than a K-3.
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I agree. But the trend is this: MILCs will be mainstream cameras of the future. They are higher value cameras sold at a low price, and are replacing the P&S almost entirely.
Yes and one problem in the market for MILC's is that there are still huge stocks of old models. You can buy the new Nikon 1 S2 with the 11,5-27mm lens for 459 euro overhere. But online you can buy the older S1 version with the same lens for 179 euro since they must have plenty of them. People don't know the difference and don't care. It's a nice camera wich can take nice images.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Uluru Quote
The DSLR range in K-mount in incomplete without an FF, it does not make any sense.
And you discovered this when?
I guess the more times someone says it, the camera gods might finally listen.
FF is indeed the missing step in the Pentax ladder - in terms of sensor size, sensor performance, model lineup, market targetting etc.
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