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08-11-2014, 07:12 AM   #646
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QuoteOriginally posted by Alizarine Quote
Wait, if this is the case, then in truth there's only Hasselblad and Phase One in the MF market, aside from Pentax?

edit: oh there's Leica too
Yep, that is pretty much the case, though it is a little more complicated than that given the number of modular systems out there designed to use the Hassy or Phase One backs.


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08-11-2014, 07:18 AM   #647
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The Canon MF rumor is like the Pentax FF rumor. Canon bought all of the Contax 645 patents and tooling when Contax went out of business. I had bought into the Contax 645 system about 8 months before the company tanked. Many of us Contax shooters where hoping Canon was going to bring the line back, but it never happened.
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Canon never said they would enter the MF market. Pentax/Ricoh said they will enter the FF market.
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QuoteOriginally posted by D1N0 Quote
Canonikon MF is not very likely since they would have to develop a whole new line of lenses. The same reason why Pentax doesn't have a MILC with a aps-c sensor yet. I would sooner see Fuji come with a milc mf camera looking at the companies history.

But both Canon and Nikon have by far the largest optical design and assembly manufacturing potential in the world.

Fuji have used Sony for low-end P&S but they usually fab their own sensors in-house. I still use their SuperCCD in one model.

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QuoteOriginally posted by Aristophanes Quote
But both Canon and Nikon have by far the largest optical design and assembly manufacturing potential in the world.
Including cameras, probably? I always here about how Sigma makes more lenses than anyone. I know both Canon and Nikon make bunches of other products though, so overall they probably have more optics.
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What makes the Canon MF a plausible idea is the company's size and potential-- even if dslr sales are on the decline lately. While it may have been a unicorn in Canon land as much as the Pentax FF is in ours, at least there's a higher probability of Canon executing the plan if there was any.

But to be fair to Pentax, nobody expected them--of all 35mm camera makers, to suddenly push up with entry-level medium format. If Ricoh Imaging was the size of Canon in the market today we could probably have even digital 6x7...
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QuoteOriginally posted by Alizarine Quote
Actually I was pointing out more at the announcement itself, it just happens to contain a big image which is most probably like you said, an altered image. But in any case, if Canon IS serious about launching a MF camera this Photokina, that would be a big threat to Pentax's 645 system, given their extensive "cover" (and marketing of course)

So while the Ricoh reps are very uptight on any big guns they're hiding for the year's biggest photography expo, I just hope they have what it takes to survive the next 5 years against the big boys encroaching on all sides.

That would be funny to see all thoses Canon shooter that where all for FF and saying MF is useless to change their mind and all want to get this Canon MF thing!

We would have start of Nikon being doomed too... Because they have no MF !
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QuoteOriginally posted by Alizarine Quote
while we're talking about MF

How about Aptina? Don't they design sensors too? Ah and there's Toshiba also... Or is that one for processors (e.g. Fujitsu)?

and while I'm at it... Leica seems to be launching a 4k-video-capable new S model in Photokina 2014. How is Pentax gonna one-up that one.. aside from price?
New Leica S to be Announced at Photokina, Packs a 40-50MP CMOS Sensor & 4K Video
Aptina, Toshiba and also Canon, CMOSIS (Leica M), Panasonic and Samsung design sensors but no medium format sensors (yet).

The rumoured new version of Leica S would have a Sony CMOS sensor derived from the one in Pentax 645Z / Hasselblad H5D-50c / Phase One IQ250 but in 30x45mm instead of 33x44mm.

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Yep, AFAIK, TrueSense (old Kodak) is out and IMO, if Dalsa doesn't something special (and IMO opens to other OEMs than PhaseOne) they'll be out very soon.
(...).
Hasselblad H5D-60 is equipped with a 60Mpix Teledyne Dalsa sensor.

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QuoteOriginally posted by D1N0 Quote
Canonikon MF is not very likely since they would have to develop a whole new line of lenses. The same reason why Pentax doesn't have a MILC with a aps-c sensor yet. I would sooner see Fuji come with a milc mf camera looking at the companies history.
Fujifilm are said to be working on a medium format fixed lens camera (an X-100 on steroids if you want).

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QuoteOriginally posted by Aristophanes Quote
(...)

Fuji have used Sony for low-end P&S but they usually fab their own sensors in-house. I still use their SuperCCD in one model.
Fujifilm use the 16Mpix Sony sensor for all their X-xx MILCs. For all of them but the entry-level X-M1, they add their X-Trans matrix in front of the sensor instead of a classical Bayer matrix.


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It would be interesting to see what will happen, but I don't doubt that Canon will run over the MF market like a steam roller. Especially considering their established professional service network others don't have. My guess is if Nikon does not enter the MF market, in 3 years time Canon will have 50% of it, Ricoh 25%, others the rest of 25%. If Nikon comes in, Ricoh will be lucky to have 10%. Others will be gone. (Perhaps Leica will remain.)

Are you aware that Canon and Nikon MF rumors have been around since at least 1979? That was the first time I heard it.

I also find it odd that a company that sell professional FF bodies would be much interested in a 50mp MF system. A 50mp FF sensor cannot be that far away, and although it won't be MF, it will have a larger sales potential and the lenses are in place already.

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Hasselblad H5D-60 is equipped with a 60Mpix Teledyne Dalsa sensor.

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And that's the only DALSA interesting thing, anything else is beaten heands down by Sony sensors. So DALSA neds to move. FAST.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Pål Jensen Quote
Are you aware that Canon and Nikon MF rumors have been around since at least 1979? That was the first time I heard it.

I also find it odd that a company that sell professional FF bodies would be much interested in a 50mp MF system. A 50mp FF sensor cannot be that far away, and although it won't be MF, it will have a larger sales potential and the lenses are in place already.
I agree that 50MP isn't far away on the horizon for FF.

Of course right now their D4S is something very low, like 16MP.

Tt seems like 36x24mm is too close to 44x33 though. Here's hoping a 'reasonably priced' 56x41mm is coming...
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QuoteOriginally posted by Pål Jensen Quote
Are you aware that Canon and Nikon MF rumors have been around since at least 1979? That was the first time I heard it.

I also find it odd that a company that sell professional FF bodies would be much interested in a 50mp MF system. A 50mp FF sensor cannot be that far away, and although it won't be MF, it will have a larger sales potential and the lenses are in place already.
Just for fun... I suppose you can turn that argument around and conclude Ricoh should have come out with a FF camera instead of the 645Z.
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Not exactly. If you use the same argument you should conclude Ricoh should have come out with a medium format camera (their traditional professional market) instead of a FF.
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QuoteOriginally posted by thibs Quote
And that's the only DALSA interesting thing, anything else is beaten hands down by Sony sensors. So DALSA needs to move. FAST.
Oh, Teledyne Dalsa's 80Mpix 40.4x53.7mm CCD sensor isn't bad either .
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Considering the above one would infer that Ricoh's K-mount FF camera will be cropped.
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