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08-16-2014, 02:03 PM   #796
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QuoteOriginally posted by stevebrot Quote
You mean something like this?



The Argus C3 (above) was a very serviceable interchangeable lens 35mm camera that supported an assortment of quality lenses and was capable of very nice photos. Unfortunately it handled like a brick. I have held a C3 and while the K-01 is softer and grippier in the hand the two are eerily the similar in the hand.

BTW...If I came across a K-01 at a good price I may well buy it. The form factor has its plus points in my opinion over the compromise of mounting the same K-mount lenses on a NEX.

Are we sufficiently off-topic yet?

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That is one great camera...........

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QuoteOriginally posted by stevebrot Quote
You mean something like this?



The Argus C3 (above) was a very serviceable interchangeable lens 35mm camera that supported an assortment of quality lenses and was capable of very nice photos. Unfortunately it handled like a brick. I have held a C3 and while the K-01 is softer and grippier in the hand the two are eerily the similar in the hand.

BTW...If I came across a K-01 at a good price I may well buy it. The form factor has its plus points in my opinion over the compromise of mounting the same K-mount lenses on a NEX.

Are we sufficiently off-topic yet?

Steve
The C3 comes up on shopgoodwill all the time. There is currently multiple C3s at $9.89 with no bids...

Probably because they were made for like 30 years...

I have never seen a K-01 on goodwill (though I bought a Q last month). I do see a lot of Canikons, Sony, and increasingly Olympus 4/3. There is currently a D5100, D3000, Sony A3000, and Olympus E-500 for example.

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QuoteOriginally posted by woodywesty Quote
But that is one beautiful little camera you're showing there.. WOW! thanks for posting it.
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QuoteOriginally posted by ElJamoquio Quote
I just saw a grey market D610 for sale for $1389. I paid more than that for my K-5.
eGlobal has a D7100 body for around $800

Nikon D7100 Body Only Digital SLR Cameras :: Nikon :: Digital SLR Cameras - eGlobaL Digital Cameras Online Store

They do the D610 body for AU$1449

http://www.eglobaldigitalcameras.com.au/nikon-d610-body-only-digital-slr-cameras.html

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QuoteOriginally posted by dcshooter Quote
More for artistic reasons than anything else. The 43mm on 35mm film gives a useable focal length that is somewhere between the standard 50mm (long considered to be closest to what "the eye sees") and the traditional wide angle range beginning at 35mm and proceeding to 28mm, etc. As a result, it gives a rather uncomfortable field of view that falls somewhere between the two. It of course makes up for this in other ways (notably, superior image quality), but there is a reason that it is the only 43mm on the market.
There was a Nikkor Ai-P 45mm f/2.8 unti lrecently (manual focus only and that's a pancake). But well... this doesn't exactly challenge your statement so much, does it ?

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The formerly ubiquitous 135mm, usually seen at f/3.5, was previously dsigned and marketed primarily as a lightweight portrait lens, rather than a telephoto, and is not really the equivalent to the very few 200mms that you see today, the only examples of which I can think of are optimized as telephoto lenses, and as a result are large beasts, with 2.8 or wider apertures, fast focus, Optical stabilization etc. The Canon 200mm 2.8 is a 765g lens. The f/2 version is a whopping 2520g! The Pentax-F 135mm 2.8, by comparison, weighs a mere 395g and is substantially heavier than its predecessors. But still, Pentax users are not clamoring for it, despite its excellent image quality, since it is useless as a portrait lens on APS-C due to the long distance needed for good framing, and it does not have the handling characteristics suitable to a high-end telephoto which compensate for the short fixed reach it has. By comparison the Limited 50-135mm and and even DA 18-135 get you the same place without substantially reduced image quality and with better range versatility and better telephoto handling.
What about the FA135 ? Is it that different from the F ?

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I love the 43mm focal length. The reason there aren't other 43's from other manufacturers is that we have five fingers on each hand. There's plenty of options at 40, 45... and even 50 isn't too far away. I like the 43 field of view better than 40 or 50 myself.
True but also, at the time (K series etc) the 50 and specially the 55mm almost looked like what we saw with our eyes because of the characteristics of the viewfinder.
My KX (not K-x) with 55/1.8 is exactly the proper magnification for me to frame with both eyes open.

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If you think the 18-135 has comparable image quality (at 135) to a 135 prime... I'd argue that the 135 prime doesn't have good IQ. YMMV.
Really? I remember the 135 was very highly regarded lens back then.
Or is its use on digital problematic ?
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QuoteOriginally posted by thibs Quote
What about the FA135 ? Is it that different from the F ?
both share the same optical formula. I think the FA has a focus limiter.

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True but also, at the time (K series etc) the 50 and specially the 55mm almost looked like what we saw with our eyes because of the characteristics of the viewfinder.
it's true that with the bigger VF focusing was easier. I'd love APS-C with the VF of the size of a FF one
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QuoteOriginally posted by thibs Quote
Really? I remember the 135 was very highly regarded lens back then.
Or is its use on digital problematic ?
I haven't used the 135.

I *have* used the 18-135, and I do not believe it isn't that great of a lens at 135mm. If a prime does not outperform it significantly, the prime isn't very good.

I believe the F/135 would outperform it, but someone else said it didn't.
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QuoteOriginally posted by ElJamoquio Quote
I haven't used the 135.

I *have* used the 18-135, and I do not believe it isn't that great of a lens at 135mm. If a prime does not outperform it significantly, the prime isn't very good.

I believe the F/135 would outperform it, but someone else said it didn't.
Oh, thought it was your point. Thanks.

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135/2 or 135/2.8 would be a really sweet lens for the APS-C users especially, no doubts about it.
Because there is gap: from 100mm macro, to 200mm. That 100mm gap (or 150mm in APS-C) is too big not to be covered with a good prime.

I am willing to say that it would be far better for Pentax brand to have a 24mm and 135mm primes, than FA43 or FA77.
Those first two will fix the gaps most completely, and would make a system appear far more intelligently designed.
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Rumour of a Sony Nex7 FF to be released at Photokina. Being a Nex, it looks rather like a K-01 brick. Allegedly the K-01 could accommodate the FF image circle. As many of us have said, why not a K-01 FF? If there is room for the sensor, surely the firmware would take negligible extra space.
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135/2 or 135/2.8 would be a really sweet lens for the APS-C users especially, no doubts about it.
Because there is gap: from 100mm macro, to 200mm. That 100mm gap (or 150mm in APS-C) is too big not to be covered with a good prime.

I am willing to say that it would be far better for Pentax brand to have a 24mm and 135mm primes, than FA43 or FA77.
Those first two will fix the gaps most completely, and would make a system appear far more intelligently designed.
Don't touch thoses babies for your shit

First thoses FA are FF, I think that some of you may appreciate that isn't it ? Removing that FA77 is just going to have the same sort of gap (2X factor) between 50 & 100mm in term of FF lenses.

Second many go to pentax specifically for thoses babies just because of their unique superior rendering. There are a unique proposition no other manufacturer has.

Third Pentax is sure making a good margin on them.

I'am not against a 24 or a 135, higly depend of the proposition arround it. My guess is a 24mm can just be an f/2.8 so as to stay small. My only interrest on it would be for it to be sharp edge to edge to replace the DA21. Could be the size of an FA50 but for me no bigger. I agree that could be f/1.4 but the 24mm focal lens is just too short to really benefit of it in most situations. On APSC or FF, I would say one would benefit more of a 35mm f/1.4 than 24mm f/1.4.

The 135mm I would like it, but again if small, otherwise no buying for me. That could based on older 135mm and f/2.8... Would allow for very interresting tele capabilities combined with 1.4 TC ! Make it FF, that's ok, as thoses suckers need longer focal for their portraiture

Well, not sure that was you where thinking of?
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24mm f/2.8 is covered by a good zoom, though, too... one knock against it, for me at least.
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The Sigma Super-Wide II is a nice cheap 24mm alternative for pentax. You still see it pretty often on ebay. I have the MF version and I think it's great. Sigma AF 24mm f/2.8 macro (Pentax K) - Review / Lab Test Report
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QuoteOriginally posted by ElJamoquio Quote
24mm f/2.8 is covered by a good zoom, though, too... one knock against it, for me at least.
yeah agree, that also the problem of 70mm f/2.4... A good zoom cover it too. But the prime could be perfectly sharp wide open, with perfect constrast, good color rendition and no flare. This no zoom will do. And for the flare a 24mm f/1.4 prime will not do neither.

See the example of that 35mm f/2.4 plastic wonder of pentax. It perform a littke better at f/2.4 than the Sigma 35mm Art at f/4 on borders... (APSC both) even through the sigma was tested on the nikon with a sensor that has slightly better max MTF. Chromatic aberations are better handled. The Sigma Art as rounded blades and that help a lot but it get onion bokeh too and that not good. Both tend to outline the higlight, at least on APSC...

Compared to the 30mm f/1.4 Art of sigma, well the sigma doesn't approach at f/8 the border quality the DA35 f/2.4 has at f/2.4...

Getting modest characteristics can help sometime.

I fully agree that there is sense for an f/1.4 35mm on FF. For a 24mm, honestly, I don't think that really that usefull.
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yeah agree, that also the problem of 70mm f/2.4... A good zoom cover it too. But the prime could be perfectly sharp wide open, with perfect constrast, good color rendition and no flare. This no zoom will do. And for the flare a 24mm f/1.4 prime will not do neither.

See the example of that 35mm f/2.4 plastic wonder of pentax. It perform a littke better at f/2.4 than the Sigma 35mm Art at f/4 on borders... (APSC both) even through the sigma was tested on the nikon with a sensor that has slightly better max MTF. Chromatic aberations are better handled. The Sigma Art as rounded blades and that help a lot but it get onion bokeh too and that not good. Both tend to outline the higlight, at least on APSC...

Compared to the 30mm f/1.4 Art of sigma, well the sigma doesn't approach at f/8 the border quality the DA35 f/2.4 has at f/2.4...

Getting modest characteristics can help sometime.

I fully agree that there is sense for an f/1.4 35mm on FF. For a 24mm, honestly, I don't think that really that usefull.

Good points. Personally I love the 15mm F/4 because of it's size and it's lack of flare (and other benefits, too). It's a great lens even though there are zooms that exceed it in capability, stats-wise.

However, the fact that a lot of zooms are much more flexible, both in focal length and aperture capability, mean that the 15mm is relegated to a 'specialty lens', that perhaps most people* would pass by.

I actually have a lens like the one you're describing, kinda. I have a Zeiss 25mm F/2.8. Beautiful pictures come out of it... but it's neither small nor light.

(*Most people do not spend a lot of time on a Pentax-based web forum).
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