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**todd** · 07-23-2014, 10:42 AM

Originally posted by monochrome

Ricoh Theta Zeta?

Ricoh Frama Zapa

**c.a.m** · 07-23-2014, 10:43 AM

Originally posted by monochrome

Ricoh Theta Zeta?

Maybe a Full-frame Theta II ?

LFLee · 07-23-2014, 10:46 AM

Originally posted by Kunzite

The reality would be something like:
"Now our marketing department is trying to figure out how to sell it".

“Pure Photography"

**monochrome** · 07-23-2014, 10:58 AM

Originally posted by monochrome

Ricoh Theta Zeta?

Originally posted by todd

Ricoh Frama Zapa

Alpha, Beta, Gamma, Delta, E(U)psilon, Zeta, Eta, Theta. Iota, Kappa . . . . .

Ricoh Iota?

D1N0 · 07-23-2014, 11:18 AM

Ricoh Theta 645 4k video 3d

**jatrax** · 07-23-2014, 12:13 PM

Originally posted by Kunzite

But that's fine, I already have a camera which is better than what I need

I already have several cameras that are better than I will ever be, but I still can hope........

x4rd · 07-23-2014, 01:15 PM

Originally posted by pinholecam

I get the feeling that Pentax has gotten even more anal under Ricoh.

Product not ready = no release
Not caring what the market or user base thinks.

When its out, its a winner in its category.
Eg. Q7; GR; K3; 645Z

So hopefully, this Photokina we hit the 'Winner' part and not the 'Anal' part of their project cycle

I agree but only partially. When it comes to bodies - everything is great, but when we consider lenses... well, situation is not so good (cordially speaking).

Kunzite · 07-23-2014, 01:32 PM

Originally posted by jatrax

I already have several cameras that are better than I will ever be, but I still can hope........

My hope is that they won't launch too much, too often - so I won't get bankrupt

**monochrome** · 07-23-2014, 01:52 PM

Originally posted by x4rd

I agree but only partially. When it comes to bodies - everything is great, but when we consider lenses... well, situation is not so good (cordially speaking).

SO are you (cordially) saying that whatever optical engineers Hoya didn't take with the medical divisions are now working for Tamron and Sigma?

**boriscleto** · 07-23-2014, 02:49 PM

Originally posted by monochrome

SO are you (cordially) saying that whatever optical engineers Hoya didn't take with the medical divisions are now working for Tamron and Sigma?

What's the problem with that? Take the Tamron 150-600, slap HD coating on it, sell it as the D FA 150-600 at a $200 premium.

ElJamoquio · 07-23-2014, 03:14 PM

Originally posted by boriscleto

What's the problem with that? Take the Tamron 150-600, slap HD coating on it, sell it as the D FA 150-600 at a $200 premium.

It seems, in the memory at least, that it's an 80% premium though...

**boriscleto** · 07-23-2014, 03:34 PM

Originally posted by ElJamoquio

It seems, in the memory at least, that it's an 80% premium though...

Not at all. The Tamron 18-270 was $650 at intro in 2008. The Pentax version was $799 at intro in 2012. The Tamron has dropped in price while the Pentax has not.

x4rd · 07-24-2014, 02:48 AM

Originally posted by monochrome

SO are you (cordially) saying that whatever optical engineers Hoya didn't take with the medical divisions are now working for Tamron and Sigma?

I'm just saying that when it comes to bodies - Pentax is in my opinion one of the best on the market but lacks in reponsive, fast and silent glass. I'm crossing my fingers for updating the FA Limited line with DC, WR and 1.4 aperture(1.2 will be killer in price probably).

Mistral75 · 07-24-2014, 03:59 AM

Originally posted by x4rd

(...)
I'm crossing my fingers for updating the FA Limited line with DC, WR and 1.4 aperture(1.2 will be killer in price probably).

The three amigos with an f/1.4 aperture would be more than a simple 'update' and, mark my words, will never happen. Ever.

**monochrome** · 07-24-2014, 06:09 AM

Originally posted by Mistral75

The three amigos with an f/1.4 aperture would be more than a simple 'update' and, mark my words, will never happen. Ever.

ANY change to the Princesses - even so modest a change as a new coating (more than a formula tweak) - will render them something other than the Princesses.

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07-23-2014, 10:42 AM	#166
todd Site Supporter Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Arizona Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,791	Originally posted by monochrome Ricoh Theta Zeta? Ricoh Frama Zapa

07-23-2014, 10:43 AM	#167
c.a.m Site Supporter Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Ottawa, Canada Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 4,189	Originally posted by monochrome Ricoh Theta Zeta? Maybe a Full-frame Theta II ?

07-23-2014, 10:46 AM	#168
LFLee Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Southern California Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 2,292	Originally posted by Kunzite The reality would be something like: "Now our marketing department is trying to figure out how to sell it". “Pure Photography"

07-23-2014, 10:58 AM	#169
monochrome Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Working From Home Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 26,276	Originally posted by monochrome Ricoh Theta Zeta? Originally posted by todd Ricoh Frama Zapa Alpha, Beta, Gamma, Delta, E(U)psilon, Zeta, Eta, Theta. Iota, Kappa . . . . . Ricoh Iota?

07-23-2014, 11:18 AM	#170
D1N0 Pentaxian Join Date: May 2012 Location: --- Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,802	Ricoh Theta 645 4k video 3d

07-23-2014, 12:13 PM	#171
jatrax Site Supporter Join Date: May 2010 Location: Washington Cascades Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 12,991	Originally posted by Kunzite But that's fine, I already have a camera which is better than what I need I already have several cameras that are better than I will ever be, but I still can hope........

07-23-2014, 01:15 PM	#172
x4rd Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2014 Posts: 241	Originally posted by pinholecam I get the feeling that Pentax has gotten even more anal under Ricoh. Product not ready = no release Not caring what the market or user base thinks. When its out, its a winner in its category. Eg. Q7; GR; K3; 645Z So hopefully, this Photokina we hit the 'Winner' part and not the 'Anal' part of their project cycle I agree but only partially. When it comes to bodies - everything is great, but when we consider lenses... well, situation is not so good (cordially speaking).

07-23-2014, 01:32 PM	#173
Kunzite Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Romania Posts: 15,132	Originally posted by jatrax I already have several cameras that are better than I will ever be, but I still can hope........ My hope is that they won't launch too much, too often - so I won't get bankrupt

07-23-2014, 01:52 PM	#174
monochrome Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Working From Home Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 26,276	Originally posted by x4rd I agree but only partially. When it comes to bodies - everything is great, but when we consider lenses... well, situation is not so good (cordially speaking). SO are you (cordially) saying that whatever optical engineers Hoya didn't take with the medical divisions are now working for Tamron and Sigma?

07-23-2014, 02:49 PM	#175
boriscleto Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: North Syracuse, NY Photos: Gallery Posts: 16,475	Originally posted by monochrome SO are you (cordially) saying that whatever optical engineers Hoya didn't take with the medical divisions are now working for Tamron and Sigma? What's the problem with that? Take the Tamron 150-600, slap HD coating on it, sell it as the D FA 150-600 at a $200 premium.

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07-23-2014, 03:14 PM	#176
ElJamoquio Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 4,873	Originally posted by boriscleto What's the problem with that? Take the Tamron 150-600, slap HD coating on it, sell it as the D FA 150-600 at a $200 premium. It seems, in the memory at least, that it's an 80% premium though...

07-23-2014, 03:34 PM	#177
boriscleto Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: North Syracuse, NY Photos: Gallery Posts: 16,475	Originally posted by ElJamoquio It seems, in the memory at least, that it's an 80% premium though... Not at all. The Tamron 18-270 was $650 at intro in 2008. The Pentax version was $799 at intro in 2012. The Tamron has dropped in price while the Pentax has not.

07-24-2014, 02:48 AM	#178
x4rd Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2014 Posts: 241	Originally posted by monochrome SO are you (cordially) saying that whatever optical engineers Hoya didn't take with the medical divisions are now working for Tamron and Sigma? I'm just saying that when it comes to bodies - Pentax is in my opinion one of the best on the market but lacks in reponsive, fast and silent glass. I'm crossing my fingers for updating the FA Limited line with DC, WR and 1.4 aperture(1.2 will be killer in price probably).

07-24-2014, 03:59 AM	#179
Mistral75 Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Paris, France Posts: 7,527	Originally posted by x4rd (...) I'm crossing my fingers for updating the FA Limited line with DC, WR and 1.4 aperture(1.2 will be killer in price probably). The three amigos with an f/1.4 aperture would be more than a simple 'update' and, mark my words, will never happen. Ever.

07-24-2014, 06:09 AM	#180
monochrome Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Working From Home Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 26,276	Originally posted by Mistral75 The three amigos with an f/1.4 aperture would be more than a simple 'update' and, mark my words, will never happen. Ever. ANY change to the Princesses - even so modest a change as a new coating (more than a formula tweak) - will render them something other than the Princesses.