Pentax XG-1 (X-5 successor)

lytrytyr · 07-15-2014, 06:44 AM

Originally posted by D1N0

It is the same thing as this one. Kodak Digital Cameras | AZ522

Not exactly. For example,
the Kodak has optical image stabilization (lens decentering),
while the Pentax has the familiar sensor-shift.

D1N0 · 07-15-2014, 07:09 AM

Originally posted by lytrytyr

Not exactly. For example,
the Kodak has optical image stabilization (lens decentering),
while the Pentax has the familiar sensor-shift.

I don't believe that for one second.

RonHendriks1966 · 07-15-2014, 07:15 AM

The Kodak at Walmart for 225 $, so who going to pay 399 $?

http://www.walmart.com/ip/KODAK-16.38-MP-AZ521

lytrytyr · 07-15-2014, 07:25 AM

Originally posted by D1N0

I don't believe that for one second.

Check the links.

D1N0 · 07-15-2014, 07:29 AM

Originally posted by lytrytyr

Check the links.

I just don't believe de specs. Open up the camera and show me the sensor shift mechanism.

mecrox · 07-15-2014, 07:39 AM

Originally posted by RonHendriks1966

And a review:

http://www.photographyblog.com/reviews/kodak_pixpro_az521_review/

---------- Post added 15-07-14 at 15:33 ----------

On sale in the UK, the Kodak equivalent for 149,99 pound:

http://www.argos.co.uk/static/Product/partNumber/1441376.htm

And it's exactly that - the Argos catalogue, online sales, general stores and the like - that this camera is made for. It cannot be too expensive and maybe it will be offered straight off on a discounted "Save £££!" basis. FWIW, some friends have one of the Sony bridge cameras - an HX400 - and are delighted with it. Everything comes in a single package, It has a tilting LCD, Sweep panorama mode, can zoom in or out to allow a shot of almost anything, full HD video, and has various tricks which some find useful like like Motion Shot video - as well as GPS, wifi, NFC and an app to allow control from a smartphone. Having handled it, I'd say not bad at all. Why are DSLRs apparently unable to implement these features, in some cases at all let alone fully or well? In my friends' view the Sony's output even from a small sensor + the combo of features is very obviously better than a mobile phone's which, for them, is the key buying point. That's what they and perhaps lot of people want: all the best and latest stuff in a single package and it's got to be better than a mobile. Not everything about these cameras is crap at all though I'll admit that the Kodak/Pentax one doesn't look as if it will cover itself in glory. Tough competition here as everywhere else.

**crewl1** · 07-15-2014, 07:42 AM

Originally posted by RonHendriks1966

And a review:

http://www.photographyblog.com/reviews/kodak_pixpro_az521_review/

---------- Post added 15-07-14 at 15:33 ----------

On sale in the UK, the Kodak equivalent for 149,99 pound:

http://www.argos.co.uk/static/Product/partNumber/1441376.htm

Doesn't seem like same camera, The Pentax appears to have an EVF while Kodak does not?

aleonx3 · 07-15-2014, 07:44 AM

Originally posted by RonHendriks1966

The Kodak at Walmart for 225 $, so who going to pay 399 $?

http://www.walmart.com/ip/KODAK-16.38-MP-AZ521

It is difficult to demand a high price with a name like "Kodak" nowadays... OTOH, you look at the name "Leica" on the Panasonic Lumix, with similar specs (eg. FZ200 with high zoom), it can draw a crowd even at a higher price, go figure.... it is the beginner's mentality (the higher the zoom, the better), IQ is not a priority.

D1N0 · 07-15-2014, 07:49 AM

it's the az 522 not the az 521 (i didn't see the difference either en totally missed the missing evf

)

JinDesu · 07-15-2014, 07:53 AM

The 522 is listed for $300 on amazon, so $399 makes a little more sense.

bdery · 07-15-2014, 08:01 AM

Originally posted by RonHendriks1966

This needs a larger sensor, the one off MX-1/Q7 or a 1" sensor. Needs to do RAW. So much zoom isn't needed

Originally posted by Adam

Yeah, but there's certainly still interest in such cameras.

Adam is right. There is still a significant demand for products with ludicrous zoom range. That's a relatively easy market to enter, put your product on the shelve and it will sell. When people are used to the IQ (or lack thereof) of cell phones, even this kind of camera seems great.

**crewl1** · 07-15-2014, 08:05 AM

Originally posted by JinDesu

The 522 is listed for $300 on amazon, so $399 makes a little more sense.

MSRP is 349 from the website, so it gets closer.
Kodak Digital Cameras | AZ522

Maybe Ricoh is just farming out these low priced cameras to the generic manufacture everyone else uses, and just spec'ing out the case shape.

Interesting article about JK imaging, seems the parent company makes just about every cheapo camera that is not Canonikony.
Kodak Brand License Holder JK Imaging Shrouded in Mystery

jogiba · 07-15-2014, 08:29 AM

B&H had the much better Panasonic FZ70 with 60X 20-1200mm eqiv zoom for $249 last December and has it for $297.99 today.
https://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/76-non-pentax-cameras-canon-nikon-etc/231...ml#post2608015
Panasonic DMC-FZ70 Digital Camera DMC-FZ70K B&H Photo
Pentax XG-1 Digital Camera (Black) 07988 B&H Photo Video

aleonx3 · 07-15-2014, 08:34 AM

Originally posted by jogiba

B&H had the much better Panasonic FZ70 with 60X 20-1200mm eqiv zoom for $249 last December and has it for $297.99 today.
https://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/76-non-pentax-cameras-canon-nikon-etc/231...ml#post2608015
Panasonic DMC-FZ70 Digital Camera DMC-FZ70K B&H Photo
Pentax XG-1 Digital Camera (Black) 07988 B&H Photo Video

I notice that the name "Leica" was taken off the lens on the FZ70 (FZ200 has that).... and the difference in the price of the two models (aside from the features).

lytrytyr · 07-15-2014, 09:27 AM - **2 Likes**

Originally posted by D1N0

I just don't believe de specs. Open up the camera and show me the sensor shift mechanism.

Maybe Adam can shake the review copy to hear if it rattles!

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07-15-2014, 06:44 AM	#46
lytrytyr Pentaxian Join Date: Nov 2011 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 4,310	Originally posted by D1N0 It is the same thing as this one. Kodak Digital Cameras \| AZ522 Not exactly. For example, the Kodak has optical image stabilization (lens decentering), while the Pentax has the familiar sensor-shift.

07-15-2014, 07:09 AM	#47
D1N0 Pentaxian Join Date: May 2012 Location: --- Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,802	Originally posted by lytrytyr Not exactly. For example, the Kodak has optical image stabilization (lens decentering), while the Pentax has the familiar sensor-shift. I don't believe that for one second.

07-15-2014, 07:15 AM	#48
RonHendriks1966 Banned Join Date: Jan 2009 Photos: Gallery Posts: 9,675	The Kodak at Walmart for 225 $, so who going to pay 399 $? http://www.walmart.com/ip/KODAK-16.38-MP-AZ521

07-15-2014, 07:25 AM	#49
lytrytyr Pentaxian Join Date: Nov 2011 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 4,310	Originally posted by D1N0 I don't believe that for one second. Check the links.

07-15-2014, 07:29 AM	#50
D1N0 Pentaxian Join Date: May 2012 Location: --- Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,802	Originally posted by lytrytyr Check the links. I just don't believe de specs. Open up the camera and show me the sensor shift mechanism.

07-15-2014, 07:39 AM	#51
mecrox Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Oxford, UK Photos: Gallery Posts: 2,375	Originally posted by RonHendriks1966 And a review: http://www.photographyblog.com/reviews/kodak_pixpro_az521_review/ ---------- Post added 15-07-14 at 15:33 ---------- On sale in the UK, the Kodak equivalent for 149,99 pound: http://www.argos.co.uk/static/Product/partNumber/1441376.htm And it's exactly that - the Argos catalogue, online sales, general stores and the like - that this camera is made for. It cannot be too expensive and maybe it will be offered straight off on a discounted "Save £££!" basis. FWIW, some friends have one of the Sony bridge cameras - an HX400 - and are delighted with it. Everything comes in a single package, It has a tilting LCD, Sweep panorama mode, can zoom in or out to allow a shot of almost anything, full HD video, and has various tricks which some find useful like like Motion Shot video - as well as GPS, wifi, NFC and an app to allow control from a smartphone. Having handled it, I'd say not bad at all. Why are DSLRs apparently unable to implement these features, in some cases at all let alone fully or well? In my friends' view the Sony's output even from a small sensor + the combo of features is very obviously better than a mobile phone's which, for them, is the key buying point. That's what they and perhaps lot of people want: all the best and latest stuff in a single package and it's got to be better than a mobile. Not everything about these cameras is crap at all though I'll admit that the Kodak/Pentax one doesn't look as if it will cover itself in glory. Tough competition here as everywhere else.

07-15-2014, 07:42 AM	#52
crewl1 Site Supporter Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Los Angeles, CA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 9,807	Originally posted by RonHendriks1966 And a review: http://www.photographyblog.com/reviews/kodak_pixpro_az521_review/ ---------- Post added 15-07-14 at 15:33 ---------- On sale in the UK, the Kodak equivalent for 149,99 pound: http://www.argos.co.uk/static/Product/partNumber/1441376.htm Doesn't seem like same camera, The Pentax appears to have an EVF while Kodak does not?

07-15-2014, 07:44 AM	#53
aleonx3 Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Brampton, Ontario Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 3,996	Originally posted by RonHendriks1966 The Kodak at Walmart for 225 $, so who going to pay 399 $? http://www.walmart.com/ip/KODAK-16.38-MP-AZ521 It is difficult to demand a high price with a name like "Kodak" nowadays... OTOH, you look at the name "Leica" on the Panasonic Lumix, with similar specs (eg. FZ200 with high zoom), it can draw a crowd even at a higher price, go figure.... it is the beginner's mentality (the higher the zoom, the better), IQ is not a priority.

07-15-2014, 07:49 AM	#54
D1N0 Pentaxian Join Date: May 2012 Location: --- Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,802	it's the az 522 not the az 521 (i didn't see the difference either en totally missed the missing evf )

07-15-2014, 07:53 AM	#55
JinDesu Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: New York City Photos: Gallery Posts: 5,638	The 522 is listed for $300 on amazon, so $399 makes a little more sense.

07-15-2014, 08:01 AM	#56
bdery Pentaxian Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Quebec city, Canada Photos: Gallery Posts: 9,357	Originally posted by RonHendriks1966 This needs a larger sensor, the one off MX-1/Q7 or a 1" sensor. Needs to do RAW. So much zoom isn't needed Originally posted by Adam Yeah, but there's certainly still interest in such cameras. Adam is right. There is still a significant demand for products with ludicrous zoom range. That's a relatively easy market to enter, put your product on the shelve and it will sell. When people are used to the IQ (or lack thereof) of cell phones, even this kind of camera seems great.

07-15-2014, 08:05 AM	#57
crewl1 Site Supporter Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Los Angeles, CA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 9,807	Originally posted by JinDesu The 522 is listed for $300 on amazon, so $399 makes a little more sense. MSRP is 349 from the website, so it gets closer. Kodak Digital Cameras \| AZ522 Maybe Ricoh is just farming out these low priced cameras to the generic manufacture everyone else uses, and just spec'ing out the case shape. Interesting article about JK imaging, seems the parent company makes just about every cheapo camera that is not Canonikony. Kodak Brand License Holder JK Imaging Shrouded in Mystery

07-15-2014, 08:29 AM	#58
jogiba Banned Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Millstone,NJ Posts: 6,491	B&H had the much better Panasonic FZ70 with 60X 20-1200mm eqiv zoom for $249 last December and has it for $297.99 today. https://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/76-non-pentax-cameras-canon-nikon-etc/231...ml#post2608015 Panasonic DMC-FZ70 Digital Camera DMC-FZ70K B&H Photo Pentax XG-1 Digital Camera (Black) 07988 B&H Photo Video

07-15-2014, 08:34 AM	#59
aleonx3 Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Brampton, Ontario Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 3,996	Originally posted by jogiba B&H had the much better Panasonic FZ70 with 60X 20-1200mm eqiv zoom for $249 last December and has it for $297.99 today. https://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/76-non-pentax-cameras-canon-nikon-etc/231...ml#post2608015 Panasonic DMC-FZ70 Digital Camera DMC-FZ70K B&H Photo Pentax XG-1 Digital Camera (Black) 07988 B&H Photo Video I notice that the name "Leica" was taken off the lens on the FZ70 (FZ200 has that).... and the difference in the price of the two models (aside from the features).

07-15-2014, 09:27 AM - 2 Likes	#60
lytrytyr Pentaxian Join Date: Nov 2011 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 4,310	Originally posted by D1N0 I just don't believe de specs. Open up the camera and show me the sensor shift mechanism. Maybe Adam can shake the review copy to hear if it rattles!