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07-26-2014, 07:18 AM   #136
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QuoteOriginally posted by Pål Jensen Quote
The K-3 is a new. Fat chance we will se an upgrade anytime soon....
QuoteOriginally posted by Uluru Quote
I sincerely doubt it. K-3 will stay for a while.
Yep; the K-3 can't/won't be replaced this year. I'd say Pentax/Ricoh will rather work on the other segments, than on updating their most modern camera
I'm not expecting any kind of "flagship" at Photokina, by the way

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I'm not really sure that its non-appearance on that list can be directly taken to mean the announcement has had little impact. "Most popular" only gauges the review/preview page views, so it doesn't appear that views of the announcement of the Prestige edition, a news item, not a review/preview, even are counted toward the total, which is biased toward most-recently reviewed models anyway. DPreview ran their belated K-3 preview a few months ago now, so presumably most of its readers already know what the camera is about (at that point, the K-3 hovered around the top spot for some time). If this is the case the only bump in popularity we are likely to see comes from people who hadn't read the original review and were spurred to by the news item or those who wanted to refresh their memory.

Perhaps more telling is that it is #3 on the "Most Wanted" list, closely behind only the 5DIII and OM-D E-M1.

QuoteOriginally posted by RonHendriks1966 Quote
Between K-5 and K-3 is three years. So likely the next one will be coming Photokina 2016 with maybe an inbetween K-3 II upgrade next year.

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Wel the new K-3 didn't got a lot of trafic on DPReview. Not in the top 10 over the last 5 days (yet):

http://www.dpreview.com/products/slrs/statistics

Only the Panasonic Lumix DMC-FZ1000 makes a big splash. More popular then any other camera. Because it is the only real new camera with new futures for a while.
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What's interesting is the discrepancy between DPReview's "metrics", where the K-3 is nowhere to be seen, and Imaging Resource's - with the K-3 on a steady #7 for quite a long time(*). Sure, they're using different "metrics"; but then there's another interesting thing: DPReview managed to get their review when people were bored with the camera already, while Imaging Resources started publishing parts of their review right away.

(*) Now that's no longer the case.

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QuoteOriginally posted by fast50 Quote
Looks nice, but also looks desperate. And their marketing still sucks.

The name is awful. Very cheesy. In the UK, Prestige = kitchen appliances.

Saw the tweets on my mobile and followed the links. The Ricoh Imaging website says nothing whatsoever about the model, just a copy and paste of the regular K3 page, with different pictures. The UK tweet links to the website that doesn't even mention it.
Desperate? They have just come off of a very successful release of the 645Z.

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Basic advertising won't be too beneficial for Ricoh in 'selling' Pentax to new customers... You have to realize the traditional market is already fixed on Canon vs Nikon. And it is much easier to explain to someone they should get a Canon starting out than a Pentax when the Canon has so many small things that interest a new user and is sold at the local department store. They aren't marketed to us because those people buy a dSLR with a kit lens, PSE or LR, and maybe a 50mm 1.8 and call it a day. The IQ is far superior than what is cranked out of all small P+S and most compacts out of the box.

Right now if someone is new to dSLR photography and wants to get started.. I say look at the Canon if you want a camera that does good video too or the Nikon if you are more into photography instead of video.

A Pentax what? They don't sell those in Walmart. But they do sell entry level Canon and Nikon bodies and lenses on the shelf. In the USA, at entry level, that is a HUGE plus for them. Because people buy what is comfortable and what is comfortable is what they know and what they know is what they see on the shelf.

I think any brand, not just photographic, is similar. It is a 2 person party -- Coca Cola vs Pepsi, Ford vs Chevrolet, Apple PC vs Windows PC, Sega vs Nintendo (Nintendo 'won'), Campbells vs Progresso.. The other side is that people, who don't like to think, like to have 2 choices. Because that means they can remove one and have a 'right' choice. Less thinking. Less effort. Done.

We have to slip on the shoes of Joe Q Public (in the USA at least) and realize they don't know or care about aperture, ISO, MTF-50 charts or any of that. They figure a big camera is a big camera and what I see on the shelf and is popular must be the 'right' one!
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It looks good. I hope they've addressed the mirror problem on this edition. Then I would consider one.
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For me all is fine their flagship is arround 8 months old and they want to get some discussion on it again... Especially out of PentaxForum

It is a way to say, hey remember that K3, this DSLR of the year it is still here, and you have a nice classy version available if you want!

As it sucking resources from Ricoh, I really think people thinking of that have no idea what they are saying. This prestige edition is the job of a designer (to get the look right), the job of some factory (to change the color of some components) and finally logistics. Who really think that the opticians, software or electronics engineers have to be involved on this? One should understand that we are now specialized as a society (since a few thousand years I think). In terms of design, theirs need at Pentax is so low that they can just pay an agency from time to time or have a few on board, The factory... It is not like using a different paint is that complex! Likely their factory is not even used at 100% capacity anyway!. The logistics finally that no more than one more K30 model, no more than K5-II & K5-IIs options. Nothing special.

The reality is that for APSC, there is no reason to change model yet. Other maker doens't change their flagship every year neither. What Ricoh could do through is to update the K50, something like 24MP Sony sensor, K5-IIs AF module and K3 processing engine. They have something like that of course but still they do not want to release it too soon as it would impact the sale of K3 of course.

Me kinda like to keep a K500 very low priced APN, without any change, a K70 and finally K3. Make sense.

So maybe they could announce the new K50 in a few months, or they could present some new lenses in the line up (like the 70-200 f/2.8, the longer telezoom, the replacement of 12-24, the new DA transtandard). Thoses could be all WR to position Pentax-Ricoh more consistantly.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Nicolas06 Quote
The reality is that for APSC, there is no reason to change model yet. Other maker doens't change their flagship every year neither. What Ricoh could do through is to update the K50, something like 24MP Sony sensor, K5-IIs AF module and K3 processing engine. They have something like that of course but still they do not want to release it too soon as it would impact the sale of K3 of course.
Very true. The K-5 did some years to get the majority of Pentax camera's replaced. After a year a lot of K-7/K20D/K10D and some older camera's where replaced by the K-5. But now the K-3 takes longer to replace most K-5's since that is stil a great camera. The biggest market for Pentax is the own crowd that replaces camera's at an average slower rate then Nikon owners do. So the K-3 can keep around for some time and stil sells.

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QuoteOriginally posted by RonHendriks1966 Quote
Very true. The K-5 did some years to get the majority of Pentax camera's replaced. After a year a lot of K-7/K20D/K10D and some older camera's where replaced by the K-5. But now the K-3 takes longer to replace most K-5's since that is stil a great camera. The biggest market for Pentax is the own crowd that replaces camera's at an average slower rate then Nikon owners do. So the K-3 can keep around for some time and stil sells.
This makes a lot of sense. Unfortunately, there is a vocal minority always hungry for the latest developments, whether or not it actually helps their photography (and I'm not particularly talking about this forum). I would guess the majority of photographers are content with their current gear, and upgrade only when it makes sense to them to do so.
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I was happy to keep using my K20 even up to now. Have an RX100 for daily snap and travel use but the K20 was fine for set shots and occasional paid shoots and also allows use of my collection of Takumars and other lenses. This is just as Cynog describes above. People upgrade when they chose to see fit.

Lately the K20 has been having issues with write errors (possibly card error), and the AEL button is locking on intermittently which causes exposure errors and the camera to fail to turn off automatically and the battery to drain away at inconvenient moments. The grip battery as well.

So tome to upgrade. And probably will not wait for the mythical FF. Especially now that the new colour has come available. Quite liked the silver bling but not for my photography context. Black is too boring, and quite like some of the colours of the K30 - my son has the white model. The platinum has come at the right moment.

Spent a few hours reviewing some Sony models including RX1 but too much like the RX100 and the A7 models will be too crippled for all my lenses... in effect they would all be like using K mount lenses and I can experience that on a Pentax. That's my thinking anyway.
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there is no reason to change model yet. Other maker doens't change their flagship every year neither.
Very true.

Just look at the Canon 7D, the 'flagship' Canon APS-C - introduced in 2009, not officially discontinued yet. Along the way Canon introduced a plethora of other APS-C's, but kept the 7D in production.

Nikon have also been rather slow. Their current 'professional grade' APS-C flagship - the D300s - was also released in 2009, and still hasn't been replaced.
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Very true.

Just look at the Canon 7D, the 'flagship' Canon APS-C - introduced in 2009, not officially discontinued yet. Along the way Canon introduced a plethora of other APS-C's, but kept the 7D in production.

Nikon have also been rather slow. Their current 'professional grade' APS-C flagship - the D300s - was also released in 2009, and still hasn't been replaced.
Actually that the both of those haven't been replaced is absurd. Canon did a long time with the sensor and Nikon has simply better camera's (sensorwise).
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At this point, I'd be surprised if either ever truly do get replaced. Both Canon and Nikon seem to have superseded their "flagship" APS-C models with lower-end FF offerings (d800, 6d). Hence, the improvements in the enthusiast APS-C sector, but no real activity on the Pro APS-C front.

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Actually that the both of those haven't been replaced is absurd. Canon did a long time with the sensor and Nikon has simply better camera's (sensorwise).
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They haven't had to change the body because no one has challenged their position there.. and if the camera is still selling, why spend money on r&d and manufacturing when what is already paid for is selling well? Less advancement means they have less cost and more room to grow in the future..
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QuoteOriginally posted by rawr Quote
Very true.

Just look at the Canon 7D, the 'flagship' Canon APS-C - introduced in 2009, not officially discontinued yet. Along the way Canon introduced a plethora of other APS-C's, but kept the 7D in production.

Nikon have also been rather slow. Their current 'professional grade' APS-C flagship - the D300s - was also released in 2009, and still hasn't been replaced.

I'd rather have a D7100 than a D300s.

I think a lot of people would be satisfied if Nikon had just chosen 'D310s' as the name, instead of D7100. The only thing that's 'missing' on the D7100 is buffer in my thought-process.
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