What Should Pentax Do?

**luftfluss** · 08-27-2014, 06:59 AM

I'd like to see Pentax introduce a native M42, FF digital camera.

kadajawi · 08-27-2014, 07:15 AM

Originally posted by Fogel70

It will need a unified way of shifting focus on lenses you pre-set in the App with high precision.
Even if AF speed vary on lenses, the values that is set in the app should give the same focus adjustments on all lenses.

The way I understand it the PDAF measures a distance, by which the camera has to move the focus ring. That should ideally be spot on where focus needs to be. So... would that information perhaps be enough to calculate stuff such as needed for focus stacking? I don't know. At least with screw drive type lenses I imagine the camera knows a bit about what the motor is doing...

jogiba · 08-27-2014, 09:13 AM

Originally posted by luftfluss

I'd like to see Pentax introduce a native M42, FF digital camera.

Right, spend millions on a camera that only two people on the planet want.

**luftfluss** · 08-27-2014, 11:19 AM

Originally posted by jogiba

Right, spend millions on a camera that only two people on the planet want.

I bet at least 10 people would buy it!

pentaxian_tmb · 08-27-2014, 11:44 AM

It all comes down to name recognition. If Pentax comes out with a bold, unique design, it is labeled as "quirky," "odd" and a "frankencamera". If cannikon comes out with the same thing, then they are being "bold and innovative."

ElJamoquio · 08-27-2014, 02:11 PM

Originally posted by luftfluss

I bet at least 10 people would buy it!

How about I glue a K to 42 converter on a K-mount full frame?

Kunzite · 08-27-2014, 05:20 PM

Not good enough. Splitting the R&D costs over some 10 buyers would make an exquisite (Hassie Lunar-style, with wood replaced by M42 mount) product.

**luftfluss** · 08-27-2014, 05:23 PM

Originally posted by ElJamoquio

How about I glue a K to 42 converter on a K-mount full frame?

Is it digital...

mee · 08-27-2014, 05:25 PM

Originally posted by luftfluss

I'd like to see Pentax introduce a native M42, FF digital camera.

Ricoh has (not) responded... you can't have a native M42 digital FF camera from them. They might, however, create an M42 and 3/8" digital FF for 10 USD. With an optional M42 bracket priced at $15,000 GBP.

kadajawi · 08-27-2014, 10:31 PM

An example what could be done with a bit more oomph in the camera and a more advanced/flexible operating system:
The Technology behind Hyperlapse from Instagram - Instagram Engineering

Yes, we have this (unfortunately) in the K-3 etc., but it doesn't work nearly as well, and it can't be set to hyperlapse. It doesn't use the sensors that exist, it doesn't correct for rolling shutter, etc. The electronic shake reduction in my smartphone is vastly superior to what the K-3 offers, let alone the mechanical one the K-5 has (which is absolutely amazing).

Alizarine · 08-28-2014, 03:07 AM

Originally posted by pentaxian_tmb

It all comes down to name recognition. If Pentax comes out with a bold, unique design, it is labeled as "quirky," "odd" and a "frankencamera". If cannikon comes out with the same thing, then they are being "bold and innovative."

When the Q began picking up in the home market of Japan, Nikon followed with the 1 (CX format, they say) and later Canon, with the EOS-M. It's hard to say that those two were in response against already-existing 1"-sensor cameras or the m4/3 system of other players, because they could've done so long ago.

A bigger and more obvious follow-me example was when Pentax came out with the myriad color combo's for the K-x and K-r. All of a sudden (and in small varieties) Canon and Nikon came out with colored bodies too (for the 1100D, 1200D, D3100, D3200, and 100D/SL1)

philbaum · 08-28-2014, 01:19 PM

Originally posted by Alizarine

When the Q began picking up in the home market of Japan, Nikon followed with the 1 (CX format, they say) and later Canon, with the EOS-M. It's hard to say that those two were in response against already-existing 1"-sensor cameras or the m4/3 system of other players, because they could've done so long ago.

A bigger and more obvious follow-me example was when Pentax came out with the myriad color combo's for the K-x and K-r. All of a sudden (and in small varieties) Canon and Nikon came out with colored bodies too (for the 1100D, 1200D, D3100, D3200, and 100D/SL1)

There was also the Nikon D7000 follow-on to the K7, K5 design. Even as far as better use of older lenses and WR. But then Pentax adopted the 2 SD card slots of the 7000/7100 after Nikon did. And the K01 was probably a response to Sony's early Nex designs, and in some ways better. All the Nex cameras have a somewhat fragile tripod mount, compared to what i think the K01 has. And the Nex shutters are noisy as well compared to the K5 series.

Fuji's XTi is WR and they are going to issue some WR zooms this year. So they are all watching what each other do, perhaps Nikon and Canon, with their large base, can afford to sit back and watch the smaller companies try more radical designs. Then adopt or not depending on the success.

maleek · 08-30-2014, 02:00 PM

I think there is a benefit to being conservative, the design choises are a bit hit and miss, and I feel Pentax would probably be wise to invest in better software engineers. Other then that, I think they should just continue to make top notch aps-c cameras and lenses for some time to come.

Kunzite · 08-30-2014, 08:01 PM

Pentax is known for trying various design choices. The ME series, the SF cameras, MZ-S... they don't get completely crazy over it (like the "it doesn't have to work so we can draw anything we want" design studies we're seeing on the Internet), but they're not afraid of trying new things either.
And that's fine. I would hate to live in a world where half of the cameras would be shapeless blobs, and the other half, '30s rangefinder wannabees.

**boriscleto** · 08-30-2014, 08:15 PM

Originally posted by Kunzite

Pentax is known for trying various design choices. The ME series, the SF cameras, MZ-S... they don't get completely crazy over it

The Z/PZ series was kinda late 80s / early 90s space alien...even more so than the SF series.

The MZ/ZX series was more of a return to angular slr design, until the MZ-S.

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08-27-2014, 06:59 AM	#271
luftfluss Site Supporter Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: NJ Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 11,619	I'd like to see Pentax introduce a native M42, FF digital camera.

08-27-2014, 07:15 AM	#272
kadajawi Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 2,799	Originally posted by Fogel70 It will need a unified way of shifting focus on lenses you pre-set in the App with high precision. Even if AF speed vary on lenses, the values that is set in the app should give the same focus adjustments on all lenses. The way I understand it the PDAF measures a distance, by which the camera has to move the focus ring. That should ideally be spot on where focus needs to be. So... would that information perhaps be enough to calculate stuff such as needed for focus stacking? I don't know. At least with screw drive type lenses I imagine the camera knows a bit about what the motor is doing...

08-27-2014, 09:13 AM	#273
jogiba Banned Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Millstone,NJ Posts: 6,491	Originally posted by luftfluss I'd like to see Pentax introduce a native M42, FF digital camera. Right, spend millions on a camera that only two people on the planet want.

08-27-2014, 11:19 AM	#274
luftfluss Site Supporter Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: NJ Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 11,619	Originally posted by jogiba Right, spend millions on a camera that only two people on the planet want. I bet at least 10 people would buy it!

08-27-2014, 11:44 AM	#275
pentaxian_tmb Pentaxian Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Madison, Wisconsin Posts: 436	It all comes down to name recognition. If Pentax comes out with a bold, unique design, it is labeled as "quirky," "odd" and a "frankencamera". If cannikon comes out with the same thing, then they are being "bold and innovative."

08-27-2014, 02:11 PM	#276
ElJamoquio Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 4,873	Originally posted by luftfluss I bet at least 10 people would buy it! How about I glue a K to 42 converter on a K-mount full frame?

08-27-2014, 05:20 PM	#277
Kunzite Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Romania Posts: 15,132	Not good enough. Splitting the R&D costs over some 10 buyers would make an exquisite (Hassie Lunar-style, with wood replaced by M42 mount) product.

08-27-2014, 05:23 PM	#278
luftfluss Site Supporter Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: NJ Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 11,619	Originally posted by ElJamoquio How about I glue a K to 42 converter on a K-mount full frame? Is it digital...

08-27-2014, 05:25 PM	#279
mee Veteran Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 7,403	Originally posted by luftfluss I'd like to see Pentax introduce a native M42, FF digital camera. Ricoh has (not) responded... you can't have a native M42 digital FF camera from them. They might, however, create an M42 and 3/8" digital FF for 10 USD. With an optional M42 bracket priced at $15,000 GBP.

08-27-2014, 10:31 PM	#280
kadajawi Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 2,799	An example what could be done with a bit more oomph in the camera and a more advanced/flexible operating system: The Technology behind Hyperlapse from Instagram - Instagram Engineering Yes, we have this (unfortunately) in the K-3 etc., but it doesn't work nearly as well, and it can't be set to hyperlapse. It doesn't use the sensors that exist, it doesn't correct for rolling shutter, etc. The electronic shake reduction in my smartphone is vastly superior to what the K-3 offers, let alone the mechanical one the K-5 has (which is absolutely amazing).

08-28-2014, 03:07 AM	#281
Alizarine Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Manila Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 2,185	Originally posted by pentaxian_tmb It all comes down to name recognition. If Pentax comes out with a bold, unique design, it is labeled as "quirky," "odd" and a "frankencamera". If cannikon comes out with the same thing, then they are being "bold and innovative." When the Q began picking up in the home market of Japan, Nikon followed with the 1 (CX format, they say) and later Canon, with the EOS-M. It's hard to say that those two were in response against already-existing 1"-sensor cameras or the m4/3 system of other players, because they could've done so long ago. A bigger and more obvious follow-me example was when Pentax came out with the myriad color combo's for the K-x and K-r. All of a sudden (and in small varieties) Canon and Nikon came out with colored bodies too (for the 1100D, 1200D, D3100, D3200, and 100D/SL1)

08-28-2014, 01:19 PM	#282
philbaum Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Port Townsend, Washington State, USA Posts: 3,659	Originally posted by Alizarine When the Q began picking up in the home market of Japan, Nikon followed with the 1 (CX format, they say) and later Canon, with the EOS-M. It's hard to say that those two were in response against already-existing 1"-sensor cameras or the m4/3 system of other players, because they could've done so long ago. A bigger and more obvious follow-me example was when Pentax came out with the myriad color combo's for the K-x and K-r. All of a sudden (and in small varieties) Canon and Nikon came out with colored bodies too (for the 1100D, 1200D, D3100, D3200, and 100D/SL1) There was also the Nikon D7000 follow-on to the K7, K5 design. Even as far as better use of older lenses and WR. But then Pentax adopted the 2 SD card slots of the 7000/7100 after Nikon did. And the K01 was probably a response to Sony's early Nex designs, and in some ways better. All the Nex cameras have a somewhat fragile tripod mount, compared to what i think the K01 has. And the Nex shutters are noisy as well compared to the K5 series. Fuji's XTi is WR and they are going to issue some WR zooms this year. So they are all watching what each other do, perhaps Nikon and Canon, with their large base, can afford to sit back and watch the smaller companies try more radical designs. Then adopt or not depending on the success.

08-30-2014, 02:00 PM	#283
maleek Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Karlstad, Sweden Photos: Gallery Posts: 222	I think there is a benefit to being conservative, the design choises are a bit hit and miss, and I feel Pentax would probably be wise to invest in better software engineers. Other then that, I think they should just continue to make top notch aps-c cameras and lenses for some time to come.

08-30-2014, 08:01 PM	#284
Kunzite Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Romania Posts: 15,132	Pentax is known for trying various design choices. The ME series, the SF cameras, MZ-S... they don't get completely crazy over it (like the "it doesn't have to work so we can draw anything we want" design studies we're seeing on the Internet), but they're not afraid of trying new things either. And that's fine. I would hate to live in a world where half of the cameras would be shapeless blobs, and the other half, '30s rangefinder wannabees.

08-30-2014, 08:15 PM	#285
boriscleto Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: North Syracuse, NY Photos: Gallery Posts: 16,475	Originally posted by Kunzite Pentax is known for trying various design choices. The ME series, the SF cameras, MZ-S... they don't get completely crazy over it The Z/PZ series was kinda late 80s / early 90s space alien...even more so than the SF series. The MZ/ZX series was more of a return to angular slr design, until the MZ-S.