Pentax forum questions for Ricoh at Photokina

**monochrome** · 09-01-2014, 10:28 AM - **1 Like**

If a hinged LCD is appropriate for a 645Z, why is it not included on the K-3 at least (the flagship APSc camera) and preferably the K-S1 as well?

thibs · 09-01-2014, 10:31 AM

Originally posted by monochrome

If a hinged LCD is appropriate for a 645Z, why is it not included on the K-3 at least (the flagship APSc camera) and preferably the K-S1 as well?

Absolutely.
At first, I'd have thought they'd put such a screen on K-S1 and K-3. Not 645Z.

jogiba · 09-01-2014, 10:40 AM

Originally posted by thibs

Absolutely.
At first, I'd have thought they'd put such a screen on K-S1 and K-3. Not 645Z.

Maybe the full frame Pentax will have it.

**monochrome** · 09-01-2014, 11:08 AM

Originally posted by thibs

Absolutely.
At first, I'd have thought they'd put such a screen on K-S1 and K-3. Not 645Z.

If you think about it, a hinged screen is really for tripod and low level work. It is the modern version of the analog refconverter when used in LiveView. That's why the 645Z has it, so why shouldn't the flagship APSc?

It isn't for selfies and arms-above-the-head-in-crowds work (though that's how people use them these days).

**monochrome** · 09-01-2014, 11:09 AM

Originally posted by jogiba

Maybe the full frame Pentax will have it.

I certainly hope so.

thibs · 09-01-2014, 11:50 AM

Originally posted by monochrome

It isn't for selfies and arms-above-the-head-in-crowds work (though that's how people use them these days).

Crap. I really thought my selfies would have been improved with a huge 50 megapickles sensor.

I'll get a Hassy

**monochrome** · 09-01-2014, 11:56 AM

Originally posted by thibs

Crap. I really thought my selfies would have been improved with a huge 50 megapickles sensor.

I'll get a Hassy

Well I have heard from a user who took his own selfies in Paris (with a Sony something) to avoid the guy who offers to take your picture in front of the Eiffel Tower and dashes off with your camera.

I guess I'm just old. My wife and I were content to alternate the actual documentation of our family travels. We were rarely all five in a photograph unless her mother was also on that vacation.

thibs · 09-01-2014, 12:13 PM

You're not old (well maybe you are, hehe) you're just doing things the old way.
People look from my photography school at me like I'm an extraterrestrial being 'cos I have no full frame, not even a Canikon, most of the time I use analog and when I can 4x5 (no, I'm not even 35).
In fact it suits me very well. Banality is for the others. Let's them be.

Oh and my smartphone actually helps my photography a lot:
http://www.digitaltruth.com/apps/mdc/

**monochrome** · 09-01-2014, 12:31 PM

Originally posted by thibs

you're just doing things the old way.

I guess the question is (and maybe something can be developed for the Photokina interview from this line of thinking) is doing things the old way being stubborn and resistant to change or is it consistent with a camera company that seems to design cameras with a traditional function set (and maybe a modern, snappy visual design)? Is thre a fatal contradiction in those two ideas? Is there a valid, artistic reason to offer these new technologies (WiFi, Hinged LCD designed for selfies, 'Publish' button, in-camera apps, social media support, etc.) on a dSLR or are they more consistent with a new-paradigm tool (MILC)?

Can we develop a question from that general meme?

Alcazar · 09-01-2014, 12:39 PM

- Are you aiming for a 1 year product cycle?
- Why did you replace the mechanical shake reduction during video in the K5 with a bad digital one in the K3?

thibs · 09-01-2014, 01:16 PM

Originally posted by monochrome

I guess the question is (and maybe something can be developed for the Photokina interview from this line of thinking) is doing things the old way being stubborn and resistant to change or is it consistent with a camera company that seems to design cameras with a traditional function set (and maybe a modern, snappy visual design)? Is thre a fatal contradiction in those two ideas? Is there a valid, artistic reason to offer these new technologies (WiFi, Hinged LCD designed for selfies, 'Publish' button, in-camera apps, social media support, etc.) on a dSLR or are they more consistent with a new-paradigm tool (MILC)?

Can we develop a question from that general meme?

I think we could. Or rather we should.

sherrvonne · 09-01-2014, 01:23 PM

Originally posted by WillWeaverRVA

My girlfriend would go crazy for a Hello Kitty version of the K-50. She'd probably trade her black K-50 in a heartbeat.

Lol, Just don't ever mention that the internet article said Hello Kitty was never a real cat.... US people are as very sad at this as everyone else is sad over no FF, holes in the lens roadmap, articulating view screens, and wireless capabilities.

robthebloke · 09-01-2014, 02:42 PM

Originally posted by sherrvonne

Lol, Just don't ever mention that the internet article said Hello Kitty was never a real cat....

Hipster from London apparently. Might be seen using a k-s1, but unlikely to be featured on one....

Kunzite · 09-01-2014, 03:38 PM

Mickey Mouse wasn't a real mouse either...

sherrvonne · 09-01-2014, 04:52 PM

Originally posted by Kunzite

Mickey Mouse wasn't a real mouse either...

Aww now I'm sad again😄, reason enough to placate myself by shopping for lenses.

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09-01-2014, 10:28 AM - 1 Like	#196
monochrome Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Working From Home Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 26,276	If a hinged LCD is appropriate for a 645Z, why is it not included on the K-3 at least (the flagship APSc camera) and preferably the K-S1 as well?

09-01-2014, 10:31 AM	#197
thibs Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Belgium Photos: Albums Posts: 7,001	Originally posted by monochrome If a hinged LCD is appropriate for a 645Z, why is it not included on the K-3 at least (the flagship APSc camera) and preferably the K-S1 as well? Absolutely. At first, I'd have thought they'd put such a screen on K-S1 and K-3. Not 645Z.

09-01-2014, 10:40 AM	#198
jogiba Banned Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Millstone,NJ Posts: 6,491	Originally posted by thibs Absolutely. At first, I'd have thought they'd put such a screen on K-S1 and K-3. Not 645Z. Maybe the full frame Pentax will have it.

09-01-2014, 11:08 AM	#199
monochrome Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Working From Home Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 26,276	Originally posted by thibs Absolutely. At first, I'd have thought they'd put such a screen on K-S1 and K-3. Not 645Z. If you think about it, a hinged screen is really for tripod and low level work. It is the modern version of the analog refconverter when used in LiveView. That's why the 645Z has it, so why shouldn't the flagship APSc? It isn't for selfies and arms-above-the-head-in-crowds work (though that's how people use them these days).

09-01-2014, 11:09 AM	#200
monochrome Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Working From Home Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 26,276	Originally posted by jogiba Maybe the full frame Pentax will have it. I certainly hope so.

09-01-2014, 11:50 AM	#201
thibs Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Belgium Photos: Albums Posts: 7,001	Originally posted by monochrome It isn't for selfies and arms-above-the-head-in-crowds work (though that's how people use them these days). Crap. I really thought my selfies would have been improved with a huge 50 megapickles sensor. I'll get a Hassy

09-01-2014, 11:56 AM	#202
monochrome Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Working From Home Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 26,276	Originally posted by thibs Crap. I really thought my selfies would have been improved with a huge 50 megapickles sensor. I'll get a Hassy Well I have heard from a user who took his own selfies in Paris (with a Sony something) to avoid the guy who offers to take your picture in front of the Eiffel Tower and dashes off with your camera. I guess I'm just old. My wife and I were content to alternate the actual documentation of our family travels. We were rarely all five in a photograph unless her mother was also on that vacation.

09-01-2014, 12:13 PM	#203
thibs Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Belgium Photos: Albums Posts: 7,001	You're not old (well maybe you are, hehe) you're just doing things the old way. People look from my photography school at me like I'm an extraterrestrial being 'cos I have no full frame, not even a Canikon, most of the time I use analog and when I can 4x5 (no, I'm not even 35). In fact it suits me very well. Banality is for the others. Let's them be. Oh and my smartphone actually helps my photography a lot: http://www.digitaltruth.com/apps/mdc/

09-01-2014, 12:31 PM	#204
monochrome Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Working From Home Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 26,276	Originally posted by thibs you're just doing things the old way. I guess the question is (and maybe something can be developed for the Photokina interview from this line of thinking) is doing things the old way being stubborn and resistant to change or is it consistent with a camera company that seems to design cameras with a traditional function set (and maybe a modern, snappy visual design)? Is thre a fatal contradiction in those two ideas? Is there a valid, artistic reason to offer these new technologies (WiFi, Hinged LCD designed for selfies, 'Publish' button, in-camera apps, social media support, etc.) on a dSLR or are they more consistent with a new-paradigm tool (MILC)? Can we develop a question from that general meme?

09-01-2014, 12:39 PM	#205
Alcazar Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Stuttgart, Germany Posts: 210	- Are you aiming for a 1 year product cycle? - Why did you replace the mechanical shake reduction during video in the K5 with a bad digital one in the K3?

09-01-2014, 01:16 PM	#206
thibs Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Belgium Photos: Albums Posts: 7,001	Originally posted by monochrome I guess the question is (and maybe something can be developed for the Photokina interview from this line of thinking) is doing things the old way being stubborn and resistant to change or is it consistent with a camera company that seems to design cameras with a traditional function set (and maybe a modern, snappy visual design)? Is thre a fatal contradiction in those two ideas? Is there a valid, artistic reason to offer these new technologies (WiFi, Hinged LCD designed for selfies, 'Publish' button, in-camera apps, social media support, etc.) on a dSLR or are they more consistent with a new-paradigm tool (MILC)? Can we develop a question from that general meme? I think we could. Or rather we should.

09-01-2014, 01:23 PM	#207
sherrvonne Pentaxian Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: Texas Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 1,975	Originally posted by WillWeaverRVA My girlfriend would go crazy for a Hello Kitty version of the K-50. She'd probably trade her black K-50 in a heartbeat. Lol, Just don't ever mention that the internet article said Hello Kitty was never a real cat.... US people are as very sad at this as everyone else is sad over no FF, holes in the lens roadmap, articulating view screens, and wireless capabilities.

09-01-2014, 02:42 PM	#208
robthebloke Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: Sydney Photos: Albums Posts: 844	Originally posted by sherrvonne Lol, Just don't ever mention that the internet article said Hello Kitty was never a real cat.... Hipster from London apparently. Might be seen using a k-s1, but unlikely to be featured on one....

09-01-2014, 03:38 PM	#209
Kunzite Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Romania Posts: 15,132	Mickey Mouse wasn't a real mouse either...

09-01-2014, 04:52 PM	#210
sherrvonne Pentaxian Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: Texas Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 1,975	Originally posted by Kunzite Mickey Mouse wasn't a real mouse either... Aww now I'm sad again😄, reason enough to placate myself by shopping for lenses.