Originally posted by Edgar_in_Indy So the Sigma had to deal with harsh, overhead, un-diffused sunlight, and still acquitted itself quite well. And don't forget that the original premise at the heart of the current discussion was that Sigma lenses have a problem with strange color rendition. Even if you ignore the 31mm pictures, the Sigma pictures should speak for themselves.
The pictures in the threads you linked to are kind of crappy and don't do any favors for either lens, to be honest. The pictures from Photozone are much better, and still serve as a useful comparison point. The 31mm simply fails to live up to the hype; that's all. It's a good lens, for sure, but it does not even come close to justifying triple the price of the Sigma, unless having the smallest, coolest-looking lens possible is a major consideration. That's the way I see it, anyway.
Seriously, you hear yourself?
You said the lighting where the same and was using that as an evidence that the 31 had some difficulties here in term of color tones. You said that the sigma had some clarity the FA was missing and that colors and contrast was the same.
Now that you admit the conditions were quite different, you explain that it just show the sigma lens is far better working on more difficult lighting conditions.
For sure it is very well known that you have less clarity, less contrast and less colors on a sunny day than a cloudy day... Serioulsy...
As for side by side comparison that show some difference between lenses you ignored it as irelevant. At least the subject where the same, the lighting condition the same, and the rendering of the different lenses clearly visible. But apparently, this doesn't count. (I'am not saying here the one that is better, even if I have some throughts but I can clearly see the difference).
There must be some FA31 fanboyism out there, but there must be some denying also.
I agree with you this FA31 is expensive. It is high end lens. Nobody expect Zeiss or Leica to be cheap neither. For sure this imply that much less expensive lense will get almot to theses levels and be far more cheap. I mean the DA35 f/2.4 plastic wonder is already better on borders a f/2.4 than the sigma 30 stopped down to f/8... It is far lighter and smaller. And it also cost 1/3 of the price of the sigma (and 1/9 of the FA ltd).
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Originally posted by Edgar_in_Indy You do realize that I shoot with a Pentax DSLR, and not a Sigma?
This discussion started because people were making unfounded sweeping claims that Sigma lenses render with a "yellow/green" cast, and that sharpness was practically their only virtue. This is what I've been addressing. Not to belittle Pentax lenses, but to defend Sigma lenses, which I have found to perform very well in my experience.
I simply don't find most of the Pentax lenses to be good value propositions in many cases. But if the 31mm was in the $500 - $600 range, there's a good chance I may never have bought the Sigma 30mm.
I've spent more than $3000 on lenses, but my resources are limited so I'm always looking for the best bang for my buck, and that search has lead me to Sigma in most cases. Every single one of my lens purchases have been painstakingly researched, and all competing lenses have been considered. Unfortunately, Pentax's lens pricing policies have cost them my business. If that makes me a "Sigma fanboy", then so be it.
Sigma is good value, for sure. As I already said they sell spec sheets and get better price while comparing (in general) sharpness, max apperture and so on. Are they necessarily better? No Depends your needs. If you want something light & small that not the case at all. For ultimate bokeh that not the case neither (you admited yourself this FA had a smoother bokeh).
For me the FA31 was more constrasty, more abble to make the in subject focus pop more, visibly sharper and providing smoother bokeh when doin side by side comparison.
For me it is not even worth buying the sigma 30 instead of keeping the DA35 plastic wonder. I will not get this FA31 for now... But there is no point for me that I deny to myself the sigma 30 has wider apperture avalable or the FA31 has better bokeh, visible sharpness and better ability to make subject pop. That just how it is.
Last edited by Nicolas06; 08-26-2014 at 11:50 AM.