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10-03-2014, 07:38 AM   #1651
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Where are the reviews?

Seems to be quite a lack in professional reviews for this camera, expecting DxO or IR to have something. Do they not get first dibs on production runs before users. Or is Pentax becoming so irrelevant that they just don't bother with getting pentax reviews out quickly anymore.

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Dunno. Is the K-S1 for sale yet?

Aren't we still waiting for a 645D review from dpreview?
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QuoteOriginally posted by ElJamoquio Quote
Dunno. Is the K-S1 for sale yet?

Aren't we still waiting for a 645D review from dpreview?
lol. I think that may be while coming.

I guess for the hyped up cameras from the big guys get all of the attention. Mostly I just want to this camera up on IR's comparometer. I can wait not like I am going to buy the camera just curious.
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QuoteOriginally posted by ElJamoquio Quote
Dunno. Is the K-S1 for sale yet? ....
Selling in France on website of Digit-Photo(.com) ... 649.00€ for body only. 698.00€ with kit lens;

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QuoteOriginally posted by Belnan Quote
Seems to be quite a lack in professional reviews for this camera, expecting DxO or IR to have something. Do they not get first dibs on production runs before users. Or is Pentax becoming so irrelevant that they just don't bother with getting pentax reviews out quickly anymore.
Reviews on new Pentax cameras are generally late relative to availability. Its been this way pretty much since the world went digital.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Belnan Quote
Seems to be quite a lack in professional reviews for this camera, expecting DxO or IR to have something. Do they not get first dibs on production runs before users. Or is Pentax becoming so irrelevant that they just don't bother with getting pentax reviews out quickly anymore.
Well lots of new camera's. DxO is behind in some things the last month. On DPR I guess it isn't an important camera, since in their poll on important new camera's for photokina they didn't get lots of votes. So it has to get in line for a review.

QuoteOriginally posted by ElJamoquio Quote
Dunno. Is the K-S1 for sale yet?

Aren't we still waiting for a 645D review from dpreview?
It's on sale overhere for 10 days.

I don't think they will do the 645Z either. Not their market.
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DPR makes good objective reviews but if they won't I'm sure others will.
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QuoteOriginally posted by totsmuyco Quote
DPR makes good objective reviews but if they won't I'm sure others will.
Do they ?

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Yes, they are objective (but only just)
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QuoteOriginally posted by totsmuyco Quote
DPR makes good objective reviews . . . .
So long as they stock that item in their Camera Store, sure.
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I don't understand the fixation on the MSRP of an electronic item. What percentage of electronics are sold for MSRP? Quite few, as far as I can tell. MSRP as about "taxing" early adopters. If you "have" to have the item within a week of release, then of course electronics companies would be silly not to squeeze a little extra money out of you.

Obviously, the price will come down over time -- either through special sales or through packages or just through discounts off of MSRP. In addition, it is clear that Pentax is trying to connect with folks that are not traditional SLR purchasers. As to how well this camera connects with them is unclear to me, but certainly it is a better effort than releasing another K500 with a 20 megapixel sensor, or even a NEX knock off. The market needs something different in order to grow.

There will still be a lot of traditional SLRs out there, but there is nothing wrong with Ricoh trying this. If it doesn't work, they'll go back to the drawing board and try something else. But at least they are trying.
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With price fixing legal... msrp ( or, tather, MAP) is more important than it used to be.

Granted your point still holds.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Kunzite Quote
Yes, they are objective (but only just)
IMO they aren't a iota.
It doesn't mean their review have nothing attractive. I never said such thing.
But they never were objective.
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Sorry, I was mocking their "just" rating invented specifically for the K10D (which had a "Highly Recommended (just)" rating due to less than aggressive sharpening applied to JPEGs)
Indeed, they're far from being objective. But they made up some "metrics" to prove they're right! (oops, I'm mocking them again...)
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QuoteOriginally posted by monochrome Quote
K-3 - 24-36 month product cycle. 645Z 48-60 month product cycle. Mid-range 18-30 month product cycle. Q-x - 12-18 month product cycle. X-Sx product cycle at the shorter end - I believe each model is a one-off with a single planned production run.

Lenses - 10-year product life with several production runs, possibly with a slight update each new run. Expect lens prices to be discouragingly high. If you think MAP pricing caused a storm, wait until the HD D-FA Pro 1:2.8 70~210mm DC (IF) is released.

Executive and marketing people are just people who studied a process in a vacuum for a few years. All of their decisions are risk-based rather than return-optimized. They are risk-averse by education. Their job is to efficiently and optimally allocate scarce capital in a complex world. We are product-centric. They are product agnostic.

You and I are not real. We are outliers. Outliers are risky. They statistically smooth outliers away so that they can make one decision, apply their entire corporate system of capital and people to that decision, and make profit (with a high degree of certainty that profit will ensue).

People with risk appetite are small businesses who want to get large quickly. If they lose they don't lose much. If they win, they win big. Once they get big they can't afford to lose - no one wants to lose big - so they morph into risk-averse businesses and hire MBA's from Harvard and Paris to manage risk.

Pentax may be small but Ricoh is big.

Since the Amigos were introduced in 2000, plus the recent rumors about them being discontinued, that puts them next in line for a revamp. (probably coming out with the FF) Don't say It wasn't foretold.
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