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10-02-2014, 04:19 PM   #1666
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Shipments to North America of digital ILC's grew from 950k in 2004 to over 4,000k in 2013.

I dunno, maybe market share went down in between there, but the economy in the USA tanked as well. 2004 was about the peak of the curve.

10-02-2014, 04:30 PM   #1667
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It's a report published this February on the CIPA site that I'm referring to. Sorry, don't have time to find the link now.
10-03-2014, 05:40 AM   #1668
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QuoteOriginally posted by ElJamoquio Quote
Shipments to North America of digital ILC's grew from 950k in 2004 to over 4,000k in 2013.

I dunno, maybe market share went down in between there, but the economy in the USA tanked as well. 2004 was about the peak of the curve.
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It's a report published this February on the CIPA site that I'm referring to. Sorry, don't have time to find the link now.
I got this one:

http://www.cipa.jp/stats/documents/common/cr300.pdf
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This is the one I was talking about.

http://www.cipa.jp/stats/documents/common/cr1000.pdf

See slide III-4 for the share of ILCs. Actually, my memory about the numbers was wrong - it was 42% down to 23%.It shows a steady shift in the balance across the years. Of course, it is natural that developing countries will gain share against developed, but what surprises me is how the Japan and European market have held up so much better than North America. It strikes me it can't be about poverty, because North America is every bit as wealthy as other regions, and probably more so. I can only conclude it is something to do with the level of interest in photography.

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Where are the reviews?

Seems to be quite a lack in professional reviews for this camera, expecting DxO or IR to have something. Do they not get first dibs on production runs before users. Or is Pentax becoming so irrelevant that they just don't bother with getting pentax reviews out quickly anymore.
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Dunno. Is the K-S1 for sale yet?

Aren't we still waiting for a 645D review from dpreview?
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QuoteOriginally posted by ElJamoquio Quote
Dunno. Is the K-S1 for sale yet?

Aren't we still waiting for a 645D review from dpreview?
lol. I think that may be while coming.

I guess for the hyped up cameras from the big guys get all of the attention. Mostly I just want to this camera up on IR's comparometer. I can wait not like I am going to buy the camera just curious.
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Dunno. Is the K-S1 for sale yet? ....
Selling in France on website of Digit-Photo(.com) ... 649.00€ for body only. 698.00€ with kit lens;

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QuoteOriginally posted by Belnan Quote
Seems to be quite a lack in professional reviews for this camera, expecting DxO or IR to have something. Do they not get first dibs on production runs before users. Or is Pentax becoming so irrelevant that they just don't bother with getting pentax reviews out quickly anymore.
Reviews on new Pentax cameras are generally late relative to availability. Its been this way pretty much since the world went digital.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Belnan Quote
Seems to be quite a lack in professional reviews for this camera, expecting DxO or IR to have something. Do they not get first dibs on production runs before users. Or is Pentax becoming so irrelevant that they just don't bother with getting pentax reviews out quickly anymore.
Well lots of new camera's. DxO is behind in some things the last month. On DPR I guess it isn't an important camera, since in their poll on important new camera's for photokina they didn't get lots of votes. So it has to get in line for a review.

QuoteOriginally posted by ElJamoquio Quote
Dunno. Is the K-S1 for sale yet?

Aren't we still waiting for a 645D review from dpreview?
It's on sale overhere for 10 days.

I don't think they will do the 645Z either. Not their market.
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DPR makes good objective reviews but if they won't I'm sure others will.
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DPR makes good objective reviews but if they won't I'm sure others will.
Do they ?
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Yes, they are objective (but only just)
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DPR makes good objective reviews . . . .
So long as they stock that item in their Camera Store, sure.
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I don't understand the fixation on the MSRP of an electronic item. What percentage of electronics are sold for MSRP? Quite few, as far as I can tell. MSRP as about "taxing" early adopters. If you "have" to have the item within a week of release, then of course electronics companies would be silly not to squeeze a little extra money out of you.

Obviously, the price will come down over time -- either through special sales or through packages or just through discounts off of MSRP. In addition, it is clear that Pentax is trying to connect with folks that are not traditional SLR purchasers. As to how well this camera connects with them is unclear to me, but certainly it is a better effort than releasing another K500 with a 20 megapixel sensor, or even a NEX knock off. The market needs something different in order to grow.

There will still be a lot of traditional SLRs out there, but there is nothing wrong with Ricoh trying this. If it doesn't work, they'll go back to the drawing board and try something else. But at least they are trying.
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