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08-27-2014, 07:44 PM   #946
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The views shown on DP Review are interesting. It really comes across that Ricoh lopped off the entire left hand side of the camera. There is almost nothing there. All you have is a mount, a screen, a VF, and a grip. Impressive!

The price, however, is very high for what it is. There will be some earlier adopters and then Ricoh will try to catch other buyers as the price falls every 3-5 months. They may also be pricing it higher on purpose to help sales of the K-50. People will probably see it as a bargain and start snapping them up. When supply is dry then sales of the K-S1 may pick up too.

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QuoteOriginally posted by JimmyDranox Quote
749US$ !!!. Not cheap at all. Way above anyone expectation. But who knows, maybe is a mistake, like the 102,800 ISO from the same text..

WOW.

Well heck it might be the best camera since ever. But it seems like, at that price, it's crowding the K-3.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Kharan Quote
I had written a huge reply to your condescending answer, but I'll summarize it:

A) I love my K-30. I went to Iguazu Falls with it this year, and it performed admirably under very adverse conditions. I've shot in dust storms with it, too. Am I somehow 'wrong' or 'impure' in your fanatical view to wish for a similar, yet lighter and more compact alternative (that's not from Olympus because I've no chemistry with their cameras)? Why couldn't the K-S1 be lighter? And if not lighter, at least have WR? From the rest of the specs, it's not like it'll compete against a K-50 successor.

B) Pentax as a system has (right now) precious few advantages left, and in an extremely competitive and declining market, other players are starting to encroach upon those as well. Ricoh needs to start upping their game NOW, not for Photokina 2016 or whatever. They either have to provide silent AF, or better zooms, or a truly full range of WR lenses. Even better, all of the above. It's not acceptable to sell a DA 35mm f/2.4 at ~$170 anymore, not when the sealed DX 35mm f/1.8G sells for less than $200, and has pretty much all of the attributes that would make it killer on a Pentax body. There's also no WR wide angle zoom alternative, or WR limiteds. This is, in my view, long-term suicide, should it continue.

C) See those (presumably spoiled) brats dancing around the pool in the ad? I don't believe for a second that they'd buy a camera without a touchscreen. Seriously, do you think they'd buy a cell phone without one? A smartwatch? Heck, even PCs are adopting them. Ricoh is trying to become like Samsung or Sony with this camera, except they're doing it wrong (hence the Christmas lights criticism). Also, the camera isn't WR, so they have no GoPro-like credentials there. Worse, the ad is misleading, since the SAFOX IXi falls apart in very dark settings, and I speak from experience.

TL;DR version: I think Ricoh is charging an awful lot of money for a poorly designed and specced product, and I do believe it'll blatantly miss the mark. The fact that it has no WR is STUPID. Ricoh should learn from Subaru, who started fitting all their cars (in the West at least) with AWD because in customers' minds Subaru=AWD. Also, the kit lens is a disgrace. And the ad, while nice, is bound to cause heaps of disappointment. They need to improve the lens lineup too, ASAP.

But if you're interested in this camera and want one, I really hope you enjoy it and get the most out of it I just want to see an awesome K-50 successor to spend my money on, and I'm afraid the K-S1 doesn't bode well for my desires.

PM: And it doesn't have WiFi! A FluCard, really!? That's not gonna fly with the super hot crowd in the ad, let me tell you >_<
A) I apologize that I came off as condescending; that wasn't my intent. I don't recall ever having claimed to be a "purist" - my main camera is the ill-received K-01. But here's a serious question: are you aware that due to the nature of the K-mount, Pentax cannot make a camera as slender as Olympus without moving to a different design? So, by necessity, Pentax cameras must have a certain amount of bulk. The most cost-effective way of reducing weight while maintaining the necessary size is to cheapen the build quality. Have you ever picked up an entry-level Canon? They feel cheap and flimsy.

B) I agree with some of what you are saying. But, the Nikon DX 35mm f/1.8G only has a seal at the mount; its not a WR lens. And other than being less than 1 stop faster than the DA 35/2.4, it's very soft wide open and otherwise a comparable performer.

B#2) This is solely the K-S1 announcement, so why talk about lenses right now? Wait and see if Pentax has any lens announcements to make at Photokina.

C) I don't like the ad, but I'm not the target audience. I agree that not having a tilting touchscreen is a letdown. I've owned multiple Pentax digitals, from the K100D to my current K-01, and I have no doubt it would focus just fine in teh conditions depicted in the video; there is plenty of contrast for AF to latch on to.

TL;DR) I don't disagree, but I'm not going to make any serious judgments based on what little we've learned about it. And yes, the kit lens (IMO) is not the proper fit for this camera. I think this is now the 3rd or 4th time I'm mentioning that the DA 35/2.4 should be the kit lens, And I agree with you about Wifi.

This is a single product that Pentax is releasing. It's OK if the K-S1 doesn't appeal to you or me, more is on the way.
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QuoteOriginally posted by monochrome Quote
Why are you here? Why do you (DO you?) have a Pentax?
Because the k-01 is yellow

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QuoteOriginally posted by luftfluss Quote
A) I apologize that I came off as condescending; that wasn't my intent. I don't recall ever having claimed to be a "purist" - my main camera is the ill-received K-01. But here's a serious question: are you aware that due to the nature of the K-mount, Pentax cannot make a camera as slender as Olympus without moving to a different design? So, by necessity, Pentax cameras must have a certain amount of bulk. The most cost-effective way of reducing weight while maintaining the necessary size is to cheapen the build quality. Have you ever picked up an entry-level Canon? They feel cheap and flimsy.

. . . .
Funny that people sometimes want to throw the K-mount under the bus. However, the Nikon mount has nearly the same specs as the K-mount and is actually older. Pentax has kept some very compact dSLR bodies compared to Nikon and Canon.
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QuoteOriginally posted by monochrome Quote
Why are you here? Why do you (DO you?) have a Pentax?

Not snark - I want to know.
Nah, I do realize I was extremely... passionate? I have a K-30 because of an impulse buy. It was unbelievably cheap (still is) for what it is. Furthermore, I was shooting a Panasonic GX1 at the time, and I was mightily unsatisfied with it. The K-30 is a spectacular camera, especially when paired with the 18-135!

Personally, I don't need WiFi. I don't even have Facebook, or Twitter. But the the target for the K-S1, if the ad is right, DEMANDS it. I should know about it, since I returned to college last year, even though I'm older

Here, this should prove that I at least was in Iguaz˙. Unfortunately I can't upload the DNG's from here, and I haven't installed LR yet since my system format a month ago. Needless to say, that place was WET! By the middle of the boat ride, we were soaked, and I was the only tourist bold enough to get my cam out and still snap away.

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QuoteOriginally posted by luftfluss Quote
A) I apologize that I came off as condescending; that wasn't my intent. I don't recall ever having claimed to be a "purist" - my main camera is the ill-received K-01. But here's a serious question: are you aware that due to the nature of the K-mount, Pentax cannot make a camera as slender as Olympus without moving to a different design? So, by necessity, Pentax cameras must have a certain amount of bulk. The most cost-effective way of reducing weight while maintaining the necessary size is to cheapen the build quality. Have you ever picked up an entry-level Canon? They feel cheap and flimsy.

B) I agree with some of what you are saying. But, the Nikon DX 35mm f/1.8G only has a seal at the mount; its not a WR lens. And other than being less than 1 stop faster than the DA 35/2.4, it's very soft wide open and otherwise a comparable performer.

B#2) This is solely the K-S1 announcement, so why talk about lenses right now? Wait and see if Pentax has any lens announcements to make at Photokina.

C) I don't like the ad, but I'm not the target audience. I agree that not having a tilting touchscreen is a letdown. I've owned multiple Pentax digitals, from the K100D to my current K-01, and I have no doubt it would focus just fine in teh conditions depicted in the video; there is plenty of contrast for AF to latch on to.

TL;DR) I don't disagree, but I'm not going to make any serious judgments based on what little we've learned about it. And yes, the kit lens (IMO) is not the proper fit for this camera. I think this is now the 3rd or 4th time I'm mentioning that the DA 35/2.4 should be the kit lens, And I agree with you about Wifi.

This is a single product that Pentax is releasing. It's OK if the K-S1 doesn't appeal to you or me, more is on the way.
I'll make it short: I'm sorry I was so rude. I thought you were being more confrontational. We agree on a lot of points. I don't think Canon's DSLRs are especially flimsy, but Pentax's are better indeed. I just wish they'd have made the K-S1 either lighter or WR, because as it stands now, it's the worst of both worlds (solid but not rugged, small but heavy).

I don't need the f/1.8, especially when the Nikon isn't really sharper. But how difficult or expensive can it be to put a seal at the lens mount? Seriously, I'm willing to pay $50 for it, along with HD coatings
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Interesting, Ricoh seems to know what they are doing:

Plugged-In Over Preppy: Teenagers Favor Tech Over Clothes


http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/28/business/less-prep-more-plugs-teenagers-fa...er=rss&emc=rss
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Funny that people sometimes want to throw the K-mount under the bus. However, the Nikon mount has nearly the same specs as the K-mount and is actually older. Pentax has kept some very compact dSLR bodies compared to Nikon and Canon.
I don't think I'm throwing K-mount under the bus, simply pointing out that keeping K-mount means keeping the (relative) bulk. Fortunately, Pentax has some lovely small lenses...

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Funny that people sometimes want to throw the K-mount under the bus. However, the Nikon mount has nearly the same specs as the K-mount and is actually older. Pentax has kept some very compact dSLR bodies compared to Nikon and Canon.
Much older. 1959 vs 1975...
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QuoteOriginally posted by JimmyDranox Quote
More than 61 pages in less than 10 day. This is bigger than the infamous ''Why I won't buy a K-3''.
ho ho.. but not bigger than the future infamous 'Why I won't buy a K-S1' thread.
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QuoteOriginally posted by mee Quote
ho ho.. but not bigger than the future infamous 'Why I won't buy a K-S1' thread.
I thought this was that thread...

Guess who already has the K-S1 in their database:

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I thought this was that thread...

Guess who already has the K-S1 in their database:

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I doubt you mean me but nonetheless, I haven't discarded the possibility of owning one, once the price hits ~$400...
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I just realized there are a lot more young 20 somethings that like to have a good time in the pool than there are professional photographers in the world. Maybe Ricoh already knows that....................
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DC Watch Impress magazine in Japan has now had a look at the K-S1:

SLR Notify Glowing [Google Translate]

Interesting tid-bits: "For design and color, and it has received the supervision of design consultants ziba tokyo", so they went with a JP design team this time. [URL: http://www.ziba-tokyo.com ]

Plus there are lens rings available to disguise the perhaps mis-matching colour of the hood mount section of the kit lens:

"It should be noted that the kit lens DA L18-55mm F3.5-5.6AL of this time, ring to hide the hood mounting portion of the tip is included. "Lens front ring O-FR52 Set" (three colors black, white, metallic gray set)"
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I just realized there are a lot more young 20 somethings that like to have a good time in the pool than there are professional photographers in the world. Maybe Ricoh already knows that....................
......... then why isn't the K-S1 water-resistant?
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