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08-28-2014, 02:56 AM   #976
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k-30, k01, k50 and now k-s1. All in very different styling - sporty, designer chic, old school slr and now kind of ... retro futuristic with LEDS and all. Top priority is to be as small as possible to compete with the Fujis, Olympus, Sonys and what else is out there. But the constant changes speaks to the fact that they struggle finding the right formula and in my very humble opinion it is a mission impossible on the design front. And at the same time they have to stuff the cams with expensive tech, large viewfinder etc. making it rather expensive. I don't expect to see this in the hands of people here in Europe.

08-28-2014, 03:05 AM   #977
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QuoteOriginally posted by Clavius Quote
K-S1, 645Z, is that not more then expected from such a small player?
645Z is not K-mount camera and it's long-waited upgrade of 645D.

Ricoh is BIG company.

K-S1 is hard to compete with A6000 (and e.t.c.) and low-end models of another brands.
Too expensive.

No very important things for new users:
1. Wi-Fi
2. Touch screen
3. Tilted LCD
4. Weather sealing
5. New DC motor kit.

Instead of it - useless AA simulator.

This camera is not stronger than K-50 or old K-5IIs, but more expensive.

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QuoteOriginally posted by H. Sapiens Quote
k-30, k01, k50 and now k-s1. All in very different styling - sporty, designer chic, old school slr and now kind of ... retro futuristic with LEDS and all. Top priority is to be as small as possible to compete with the Fujis, Olympus, Sonys and what else is out there.
It's mix of bulldog with rhinoceros
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QuoteOriginally posted by RonHendriks1966 Quote
But this K-S1 needs a new kitlens that is smaller and folds back when not in use!
I read "kittens" again. Gotta get my eyes checked lol

QuoteOriginally posted by ogl Quote
No very important things for new users:
1. Wi-Fi
2. Touch screen
3. Tilted LCD
4. Weather sealing
5. New DC motor kit.

Instead of it - useless AA simulator.
I would agree with #1 and #3 as they are very useful for today's always-online population, and I think the AA simulator is just there for kicks but I doubt the target users have any idea what it is anyway.
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You know, when I saw the pics with the coloured versions, the Silver and Black immediately struck me as to how similar this camera is in styling to the MZ50/60 bodies.


simular but not the sameular...

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Srs now have the ks1 available for pre order in the uk for 549 (includes flu-card, and 32gb SD card)

http://www.srsmicrosystems.co.uk/c/563/Pentax-K-S1-Digital-SLR-Cameras.html
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I don't think K-S1 is positioned anyhow. It's just being made as a new model, with a slightly new appeal compared to rest of K-mount cameras.

More I look at it, the absence of any new and matching kit lens, or any new lens whatsoever, or any other marketing pointer that clarifies this camera, it seems to me the camera is just made as a quick, and slightly different addition to the K-mount — nothing more than that. And wherever user wishes to classify it, and use with whatever lenses, it's fine to Ricoh Imaging. They don't care and won't do anything special for it.

But I think it is wrong we should presume this is entry level camera only because it is not weather sealed or because it is small. Many much more expensive cameras aren't weather sealed. Who cares? After all, this is not your typical DSLR made for bigger, sealed lenses. Users for K-S1 will use perhaps a kit lens, and unsealed DA35/2.4, DA50/1.8 plastic fantastic. It will be very good for unsealed DA limiteds as well.

Granted, many "modern" features are missing in K-S1, like tilting LCD or WiFi, but then, many cameras that have those lack in matters that K-S1 has. We could go on like that forever in comparing cameras from different manufacturers, and is pointless.

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QuoteOriginally posted by ogl Quote
If Ricoh will show only K-S1 at Photokina it would be sad...
I doubt that this will be the only news from Ricoh at Photokina. Let's remember that two new lenses are on the road maps. and is still time for another camera leaks and announcement. Hopefully FF....
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DPREVIEW complains about ergonomics

I read the dpreview article on it and it wasn't exactly a ringing endorsement. To summarise their gripes:
(1) The grip is slippery and uncomfortable
(2) The LEDs serve no real purpose (other than an over the top countdown light)
(3) It isn't weather sealed
(4) The 4 way controller thing at the back is extremely awkward to use.
(5) It is priced higher than the K50, which they view as a better camera - and higher than competition (e.g D3300) which they also view more favourably.

So Pentax have designed a camera which puts form flatly over functionality - except they have succeeded there anyway.

I'm afraid I think this will be a flop. (imo)

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QuoteOriginally posted by chaza01 Quote
I read the dpreview article on it and it wasn't exactly a ringing endorsement. To summarise their gripes:
(1) The grip is slippery and uncomfortable
(2) The LEDs serve no real purpose (other than an over the top countdown light)
(3) It isn't weather sealed
(4) The 4 way controller thing at the back is extremely awkward to use.
(5) It is priced higher than the K50, which they view as a better camera - and higher than competition (e.g D3300) which they also view more favourably.

So Pentax have designed a camera which puts form flatly over functionality - except they have succeeded there anyway.

I'm afraid I think this will be a flop. (imo)
The camera looks sufficiently ergonomic; the half a dozen people whom I have seen hold this camera in various videos seem to be able to do so with considerable ease. This camera is ideal for people who prefer a DSLR, and who would like it to be as lightweight as possible: I would definitely be interested in purchasing this camera.

How do you know the camera is priced higher than the K50, considering that it is yet to become available for sale? Pentax's recommended price for both cameras with kit lens is identical: 699 Euros. That the current price of a body that has been in circulation for some time is lower is hardly anything unusual: why pay 699 Euros for X-E2 when the X-E1 can be purchased for 349 Euros or less?

The K-S1 is an excellent camera with plenty of firepower in a small package. It is smaller than some high end micro four thirds bodies and it is sure to outperform larger and far more expensive DSLRs. In other words, this is a camera with lots of potential.

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Here's a K-S1 infomercial:


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08-28-2014, 05:31 AM   #985
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QuoteOriginally posted by gazonk Quote
Hmm. I think this camera would be easier to sell at that price if it came with a more compact and modern-looking kit lens with silent focus.

I wonder if a K-50 successor will arrive too - with basically the same innards, but with traditional controls and WR?
That is what I'm wondering too... K-50ish shell, similar innards, upgraded buffer and burst rate, electronic level, weather sealing, and 100 dollars more MSRP. Essentially the K-50 with a new sensor and the AA simulation from the K-3.

That said, I do think they overpriced the MSRP on the KS-1 by 100 dollars.. there is not much room between the cameras at launch. I figure they think the KS-1 is in it's own tier for a different type of consumer.. but time will tell if people think that way in reality. *shrug*
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If the Flucard is included it may be a fair price, presuming a lower street price coming soon.
But agreed, the package could have really benefited by a new kitlens.

Nevertheless, the features indicate that a model between it and K-3 would be quite well equipped, I presume WR and more common design. If the K-50 will be replaced...
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QuoteOriginally posted by monochrome Quote
So my 24 year old daughter drives a silver mid-range KIA Soul with a racing stripe and flashing LED speaker surrounds that change colors according to something or other and a day-glo orange media center display and hound's tooth fabric seat inserts and all kinds of bluetooth connectivity and plugs and holders and cable jacks. She picked it out and bought it herself and paid $17,xxx.

If I had bought her a car as a gift I would have given her a black Honda CRV with a garage door opener and a backup camera. For $25,000.

She takes pictures with a iPhone.
If Kia is expecting the Soul owners to eventually buy a K900, maybe they'll put flashing LEDs on the K900's speakers to lure them. The problem for Ricoh in the case of the K-S1 is they designed it like a Soul and priced it like an Optima.
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If i gonna buy this camera, i make the grip a bit larger.
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How do you know the camera is priced higher than the K50, considering that it is yet to become available for sale?
It's on sale now for 599 at srs (includes kit lens, flu card, and 32gb SD card)
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