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08-28-2014, 12:07 PM   #1051
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It looks like someone took a sharp knife and cut slots in the side of the mirror box and inserted a smart phone.

Does it come with Angry Birds and Candy Crush pre-insalled?
Can I program the shutter release button to make machine guns sounds or the phaser sound from Star Trek? Seriously, when I look at the back of it I think they should make gold version to match Captain Kirk's uniform and add the Star Fleet logo to the back of it. Give it the Star Trek theme song for a ring tone. That would triple sales.

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QuoteOriginally posted by RonHendriks1966 Quote
This will be (when succesfull) the best selling camera with K-mount between now and x-mas 2015 (expect some new colors in a few periodes).
That's the only thing that really matters. Sell 300,000 of them @ x dollars a piece profit at the factory level.
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QuoteOriginally posted by luftfluss Quote
All the current DSLRs are good cameras. This one seems expensive relative to the competition.
Designer clothes are expensive too but some people are willing to pay for them. I don't think this camera is targeted at those that think a new pair of Levi 501s are all a person ever needs. There are other cameras for such practicality, and some of them are Pentaxes.
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QuoteOriginally posted by johnmflores Quote
Designer clothes are expensive too but some people are willing to pay for them. I don't think this camera is targeted at those that think a new pair of Levi 501s are all a person ever needs. There are other cameras for such practicality, and some of them are Pentaxes.
Yea, people pay for things just for prestige...at real small quantities. Most people, especially 20-30 yr olds, cannot afford a $700 DSLR no matter how well spec'd it is.
Especially when the competition has similar specs and is cheaper by $200.

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QuoteOriginally posted by cali92rs Quote
Yea, people pay for things just for prestige.....
Yep, I'm gonna sit on the fence till the prestige edition comes out. Maybe it'll be gold, with diamond twinkly LEDs?
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QuoteOriginally posted by cali92rs Quote
Yea, people pay for things just for prestige...at real small quantities. Most people, especially 20-30 yr olds, cannot afford a $700 DSLR no matter how well spec'd it is.
Especially when the competition has similar specs and is cheaper by $200.
OK, so this has a metal frame, IBIS (AA filter gizmo), 20MPix sensor, Prime MII processor, premium polycarbonate shell, other stuff I can't remember - and we don't yet know the street price. I assume LED's are without cost. Competitors are mature in the market and technology.

What premium features would you trade out of the K-S1, replacing them with whatever crap the competition has, to bring the price down $200?
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QuoteOriginally posted by cali92rs Quote
Yea, people pay for things just for prestige...at real small quantities. Most people, especially 20-30 yr olds, cannot afford a $700 DSLR no matter how well spec'd it is.
Especially when the competition has similar specs and is cheaper by $200.
I better go tell Apple, Abercrombie, UGG, Nike, and others that their success is illusory.

I can totally see a millennial creative type–an ad agency creative director, a bespoke bike builder, a fashion blogger, etc… willing to pay more for the K-S1 over another boring black blob of a camera. Or if they want smaller they can look at Micro Four-Thirds. Problem is, the ones that will rival the K-S1 image quality are more expensive still. Fuji? Nah, that's for Brooklyn hipsters and their dads.
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lol

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So I watched the video and figured out what I'm doing wrong in my photography. Apparently I have to take my shirt off to have fun with a camera. Or was that girls? I'm just old and confused...
Nude photography isn't just for models .. anymore!

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QuoteOriginally posted by monochrome Quote
OK, so this has a metal frame, IBIS (AA filter gizmo), 20MPix sensor, Prime MII processor, premium polycarbonate shell, other stuff I can't remember - and we don't yet know the street price. I assume LED's are without cost. Competitors are mature in the market and technology.

What premium features would you trade out of the K-S1, replacing them with whatever crap the competition has, to bring the price down $200?
Flip screen LCD, lenses that have IS/VR, 24 Mpix sensor, a proper handgrip. Prime MII processor isn't anything to write home about.
This versus the K-50 would be a no brainer.
You brought up the K-01 earlier. Same thing with that, it had OK features but nothing premium, yet it was charged a premium price. It only became a bargain once the prices began to plummet.

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I better go tell Apple, Abercrombie, UGG, Nike, and others that their success is illusory.
They are able to charge those prices because they are established as premium brands. Can Pentax really get away with the same game?
You ask any joe schmoe off the street about the brands you listed above, from ages 6-60 and they can identify those brands, their logos, what they sell, etc. You do the same with Pentax, and they either say, what is a Pentax, or "Pentax is still around?".
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QuoteOriginally posted by cali92rs Quote
Flip screen LCD, lenses that have IS/VR, 24 Mpix sensor, a proper handgrip. Prime MII processor isn't anything to write home about.
This versus the K-50 would be a no brainer.
Well the PRIME isn't slower then what Canon puts in the 700D series when looking at the performance in the review at DPR.
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QuoteOriginally posted by RonHendriks1966 Quote
Well the PRIME isn't slower then what Canon puts in the 700D series when looking at the performance in the review at DPR.
But a Canon is OK, a Pentax is doooooomed
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QuoteOriginally posted by RonHendriks1966 Quote
Well the PRIME isn't slower then what Canon puts in the 700D series when looking at the performance in the review at DPR.
Not to mention, the 700D/T5i and SL1's sensor IQ is inferior to the K20D that was announced in 2007.
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QuoteOriginally posted by johnmflores Quote
Designer clothes are expensive too but some people are willing to pay for them. I don't think this camera is targeted at those that think a new pair of Levi 501s are all a person ever needs. There are other cameras for such practicality, and some of them are Pentaxes.
Designer clothes have cachet. Pentax is dad's camera collecting dust in the attic, along with Pivot Pool and Simon.

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I better go tell Apple, Abercrombie, UGG, Nike, and others that their success is illusory.
Apple built a viable alternative to WinPC featuring a more stable, eye-pleasing, appliance-like user experience and excellent industrial design. Not to mention memorable marketing and being in the on the ground floor of the burgeoning home computer revolution.

Abercrombie has been bleeding for a while.

Nike was built on the feet of the world's biggest star.

Pentax is none of this.

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QuoteOriginally posted by johnmflores Quote
I better go tell Apple, Abercrombie, UGG, Nike, and others that their success is illusory.
You forgot Beats by Dre. A business built almost entirely on image. Apple just paid $3 billion for it.
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QuoteOriginally posted by cali92rs Quote
They are able to charge those prices because they are established as premium brands. Can Pentax really get away with the same game?
You ask any joe schmoe off the street about the brands you listed above, from ages 6-60 and they can identify those brands, their logos, what they sell, etc. You do the same with Pentax, and they either say, what is a Pentax, or "Pentax is still around?".
QuoteOriginally posted by luftfluss Quote
Designer clothes have cachet. Pentax is dad's camera collecting dust in the attic, along with Pivot Pool and Simon.

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Apple built a viable alternative to WinPC featuring a more stable, eye-pleasing,appliance-like user experience and excellent industrial design. Not mention memorable marketing and being in the on the ground floor of the burgeoning home computer revolution.

Abercrombie has been bleeding for a while.

Nike was built on the feet of the world's biggest star.

Pentax is none of this.
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You forgot Beats by Dre. A business built almost entirely on image. Apple just paid $3 billion for it.
These are all good points. Those other brands have much stronger identities and clearly invest in marketing…in the US at least. I don't know how Pentax is perceived overseas, particularly in Japan or China. It could be very different. Buick, AFAIK, is a well-regarded brand in China.

The Beats example is very interesting. From nothing to a $3 billion acquisition in a handful of years. And I haven't heard a lot of good about the product. But the marketing is great and the product design is fresh, so it's worked. Traditional headphone makers like Koss, Bose, and others are likely jealous. So I still stand behind the whole point of my post, to counter the argument that people won't pay a premium for design. They will, and now that it's up to Pentax marketing to create a want.

As someone else said, all DSLRs are good these days, so there's no way that Pentax is going to increase market share by being 3% better and/or 5% cheaper than the other guy. And they certainly can't out-Nikon Nikon or out-Canon Canon, so they absolutely have to go about it another way. Interesting design is certainly a way worth investigating.

Is it, like the K-01 before it, priced to high? Maybe, it depends on how well Pentax can hit their target market and make the K-S1 an object of desire, not just a box of specifications.

And honestly, the K-mount is both a blessing and a curse for the K-S1 and the K-01. Without it, the designers would have had much more freedom to make a camera of the moment; a K-01 that's half as thick is basically the Leica T.
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